If Schenn amounts to nothing more than a # 4-5 guy, Burke's last move as Toronto GM would have been eating Holmgren's lunch.
- PLindbergh31

I think Schenn is already a solid 2nd pairing defenseman.

besides decision making, i don't see much more. #4-5 guy, can be very solid, if unspectacular.
- isaiah520

He's a 23 year old defenseman. It's in my opinion that Dmen tend not to hit their primes til around 27. It would amaze me if this is LSchenn's max.

Except that Byfuglien plays in all situations. The Jets are now using him on the PK, as well as the PP. He's also a 24 minute a night horse for them.
- Jsaquella

Doesn't mean that he's good at it. I wouldn't label him a 2 way defenseman. He's an offensive defenseman. And is not a suitable replacement for Timonen in my opinion. I have zero interest in him.

I love how something is a rumor because one team asks for him.

Do you know how many teams ask about other players. It happens every day.
- PhillySportsGuy

Did you hear about the Sidney Crosby to every NHL team rumor? Apparently there's strong interest.

I'd be more interested in that angle myself, for sure. But Byfuglien was the topic. I'm not married to adding him, but I'm open to it.
- Jsaquella

Byfuglien's better than anything we currently have, and anything coming along the way... just by virtue of that, the idea of adding him shouldn't be dismissed too quickly.

With that said, I sure as hell wouldn't trade B Schenn or Couturier (or even Laughton) for him.

I think Schenn is already a solid 2nd pairing defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

yup, at the moment he's a #3 shutdown guy, I think. This season's also shown that he needs bigger minutes to thrive.

besides decision making, i don't see much more. #4-5 guy, can be very solid, if unspectacular.
- isaiah520

I do. He has top pairing potential as a physical defender paired with a #1 defenseman.

Byfuglien's better than anything we currently have, and anything coming along the way... just by virtue of that, the idea of adding him shouldn't be dismissed too quickly.

With that said, I sure as hell wouldn't trade B Schenn or Couturier (or even Laughton) for him.
- Tomahawk

I'd trade Laughton for him...

Byfuglien's better than anything we currently have, and anything coming along the way... just by virtue of that, the idea of adding him shouldn't be dismissed too quickly.

With that said, I sure as hell wouldn't trade B Schenn or Couturier (or even Laughton) for him.
- Tomahawk

That's most likely (guessing) what Winnipeg would want to START negotiations.

I'd trade Laughton for him...
- JAKEw1234

How about Laughton + a high pick (1st or 2nd) + a roster player?

Speaking of racial insensitivity, did anybody see American Horror Story last night? Kathy Bates was stellar

Did you hear about the Sidney Crosby to every NHL team rumor? Apparently there's strong interest.
- jmatchett383

Cap hit too high. Simply not worth it.

I think Schenn is already a solid 2nd pairing defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

Interesting. He's played like a # 8 so far. Last on the team in ice time, and doesn't sniff PP time.

[quote=jmatchett383]That's most likely (guessing) what Winnipeg would want to START negotiations

The problem for Winnipeg is that Byfuglien is viewed so negatively around the league. Is perceived value is probably worse than his real value.

The Nashville Predators are an offensive juggernaut.

Also, points are the be-all end-all of defenseman stats.
- Pecafan Fan

after seeing the lengthy debate i deleted my post, but... obviously he's off to a slow start this season but as recently as last season he didn't look "done" to me, he is positionally very smart and he can still put up points

if he doesn't pull it together this season then yes he's done

Cap hit too high. Simply not worth it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well obviously the Penguins would have to retain 87.87% of his salary.

Byfuglien's better than anything we currently have, and anything coming along the way... just by virtue of that, the idea of adding him shouldn't be dismissed too quickly.

With that said, I sure as hell wouldn't trade B Schenn or Couturier (or even Laughton) for him.
- Tomahawk

Which is the real discussion here.

Would he upgrade the D here? Sure, but at what price?

I do. He has top pairing potential as a physical defender paired with a #1 defenseman.
- MJL

Well when the Flyers get that # 1 dman, Schenn will probably be about 65

Interesting. He's played like a # 8 so far. Last on the team in ice time, and doesn't sniff PP time.
- PLindbergh31

After a strong (relatively) rookie season, he did nothing but regress.

I thought getting traded to Philly would help him, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Not yet anyway.

Interesting. He's played like a # 8 so far. Last on the team in ice time, and doesn't sniff PP time.
- PLindbergh31

You're basing it on 4 games.

He played very well last season. Finished as an even player despite being on a TERRIBLE 5 on 5 team.

He also matched up against other top lines, so there's that too.

But what have you done for me lately, right?

Byfuglien's better than anything we currently have, and anything coming along the way... just by virtue of that, the idea of adding him shouldn't be dismissed too quickly.

With that said, I sure as hell wouldn't trade B Schenn or Couturier (or even Laughton) for him.
- Tomahawk

Absolutely. My two conditions were his conditioning and the cost. If it was a deal built around Read and Byfuglien, with other pieces going either way, I'd consider it.

Not giving up a key youngster for Byfuglien.

That's most likely (guessing) what Winnipeg would want to START negotiations.
- jmatchett383

Then you take a walk. Easy enough.

I'd trade Laughton for him...
- JAKEw1234

That is until 2-3 years into the future and you find out that Laughton was actually the best player out of the three...

Well obviously the Penguins would have to retain 87.87% of his salary.
- jmatchett383

Throw in Depres and we have a deal.

Wait, what are we giving up? Do we have to give anything?

See this is what happens when we hypothetically create hypothetical situations

You're basing it on 4 games.

He played very well last season. Finished as an even player despite being on a TERRIBLE 5 on 5 team.

He also matched up against other top lines, so there's that too.

But what have you done for me lately, right?
- PhillySportsGuy

May I remind you that, the Flyers finished 20th overall?

Because a player is put in a certain spot doesn't mean that's where he should be.
There's a difference being a true #1 and being a #1 by necessity.