No one on the Flyers has the flaw where they could potentially and unpredictably balloon up to 300 lbs, do they?
- johndewar

Voracek

Voracek
- JFlyers00

He's not close to 300 lbs. Not even after his Mom's cooking last year.

Voracek
- JFlyers00

Voracek is Czech for Fat as (frank)

If I move to florida, it will be to North Eastern Side in St Augustine. I loved the area. Great history. Great food. Not too much tourism, but enough to boost the local economy, and not Orlando type of tourists or Maimi type of tourists... More higher class tourists.
- youarewrong

Also the most haunted city in America!

Voracek is Czech for Bad Driver


- jak521

FTFY

It's pure hypocrisy.

They acknowledge players on the Flyers have strengths and flaws, and accept both. But a player on another team excels at some things but also comes with flaws -- DON'T WANT.
- bradleyc4

The flaws that are unacceptable are his work ethic, and his fitness level. That is something the player can control. A player can't control having weaknesses in his game such as lack of size, or lacks hands offensively. Byfuglien is 100% responsible for his lack of discipline as a professional athlete.

People questioned Scott Hartnell's conditioning last year...
- youarewrong

And rightfully so -- if he wasn't in good condition, and he has admitted to not being in top shape -- then he let himself, his organization and his teammates down.

I don't make the leap of Hartnell letting me down; I'm just a guy who watches the games and posts about hockey. But Hartnell absolutely owed more to his employer and his teammates, and any/every bit of criticism he might get about this issue is, to my mind, deserved.

Also the most haunted city in America!
- Flyersgod

Debateable. I would say St.Augustine, Gettysburg, New Orleans, and Savannah GA are all about even.

Though we did have a ghostly visitor while we were in St Augustine. But I have had several in Gettsyburg.

He's good on the PK. That's about it.

I wouldn't pay $3.5 million for a 3rd pairing PKer who can't move. But it's clear I'm in the minority here.
- bradleyc4

That might be your opinion. But that is simply not the case.

That might be your opinion. But that is simply not the case.
- MJL

Yes, the Flyers are giving him 2nd pair minutes. I disagree with that usage.

And rightfully so -- if he wasn't in good condition, and he has admitted to not being in top shape -- then he let himself, his organization and his teammates down.

I don't make the leap of Hartnell letting me down; I'm just a guy who watches the games and posts about hockey. But Hartnell absolutely owed more to his employer and his teammates, and any/every bit of criticism he might get about this issue is, to my mind, deserved.
- AllInForFlyers

True, but my point is, even though they criticised him, he was able to come into camp in shape. He turned it around.

right. And a lot of us feel that Talbot is a better 4th line player then 3rd line player, and the point was that we would be trading Read. So that would make 2 3rd line players. Try and keep up.
- youarewrong

You may feel that Talbot is better as a 4th line player. But it's obvious that Talbot is a solid 3rd line Winger. Trading one forward off the roster, leaves a deficit of one player needed to replace. Simple math.

The flaws that are unacceptable are his work ethic, and his fitness level. That is something the player can control. A player can't control having weaknesses in his game such as lack of size, or lacks hands offensively. Byfuglien is 100% responsible for his lack of discipline as a professional athlete.
- MJL

Actually, people are not always in 100% control of their emotions. It is very possible that discipline issues could be a result of anger management or similar problem.

Pretty sure you misread that.
- bradleyc4

Pretty sure I didn't.

Actually, people are not always in 100% control of their emotions. It is very possible that discipline issues could be a result of anger management or similar problem.
- mikel33

CORRECT!!!

/sorry

Actually, people are not always in 100% control of their emotions. It is very possible that discipline issues could be a result of anger management or similar problem.
- mikel33

I'm not talking about emotions. I'm talking about his weight and fitness level.

You may feel that Talbot is better as a 4th line player. But it's obvious that Talbot is a solid 3rd line Winger. Trading one forward off the roster, leaves a deficit of one player needed to replace. Siimple math.
- MJL

I would like to take a poll. Who here thinks the Flyers need another 3rd line winger?

Drat! I just ran out of Taco Bell Cinnamon Twists. I hope this is still going whilst I go make some popcorn.

I'm not talking about emotions. I'm talking about his weight and fitness level.
- MJL

Emotions could play a part in that, and so could getting out of routine during a work stoppage.... cough hartnell cough.

I'm not talking about emotions. I'm talking about his weight and fitness level.
- MJL

Yes, but I was quoting your statement about him being in 100% control of his lack of disclipine

Pretty sure I didn't.
- MJL

You did. I didn't say blocked shots are bad, nor have I ever. I said if you're leading the league in blocked shots, it's an issue. It means the opposition has the puck a lot more than your team, when you're on the ice. That's not a good thing.

You did. I didn't say blocked shots are bad, nor have I ever. I said if you're leading the league in blocked shots, it's an issue. It means the opposition has the puck a lot more than your team, when you're on the ice. That's not a good thing.
- bradleyc4

PROVE IT!

I would like to take a poll. Who here thinks the Flyers need another 3rd line winger?
- youarewrong

Let's also take a poll on if they feel the Flyers need a defenseman. Looking to improve the team doesn'tmake trading one player of the roster, add up to having to replace 2 players.

I would like to take a poll. Who here thinks the Flyers need another 3rd line winger?
- youarewrong

An army of one, outweighs the masses. Even when the masses include Big Buff.

Emotions could play a part in that, and so could getting out of routine during a work stoppage.... cough hartnell cough.
- youarewrong

Byfuglien has always had that issue.