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mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 8:10 AM ET
Left side of his body upward, does he have an expandable torso because from my "logic" you need to use your legs to extend upwards hence leave your feet



I don't know maybe my eyesight is no good but he leaves his feet, not by much but he does and he made contact, Nash has a concussion so the Sharks fans get 2 wins last night, congrats now watch SJ choke yet again

- cranford93


The league wants to make an early example of wanting plays like this eliminated. Because the elbow was down, the three game ban was issued. There was clear intent to make contact with Nash's head. Though it was with the shoulder, the shorter player did launch himself at Nash. If he never left his feet, then one could easily say Nash had his head down, but in this case he would have to be a few inches shorter to have this be.

Three games seems to be a minimum when it comes to hits to the head, so this seems fair.
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 8:20 AM ET
Here's another view of the hit:

http://nypost.com/2013/10...fter-getting-hit-in-head/



Though the elbow didn't make contact, the arm was up to make the hit to the head.
Team_Teal
San Jose Sharks
Location: Benicia, CA
Joined: 04.15.2011

Oct 10 @ 9:28 AM ET
This is what the moronic Sharks fans sound like, "Nash had a concussion before therefore Stuart is innocent", how about RESPONSIBILITY? Just for once I'd love to see objective views from the fans of the actor and a little less blaming the victim.
- cranford93


Dude...your asinine remark regarding Sharks fans aside, the issue remai s is that the league needs more consistency in dishing out their punishment. The hit was borderline from all angles: no elbow, didn't leave his feet, etc. if you'd like to change the subject we can always discuss how the Teenage Mutant Ninja Hertl singlehandedly out scored the Rangers....

B2B76
New York Rangers
Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY
Joined: 08.14.2008

Oct 10 @ 9:31 AM ET
Regardless of the outcome tonight, Thank God this West Coast trip will be over & I can finally watch a live game starting on Saturday.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Oct 10 @ 9:31 AM ET
Dude...your asinine remark regarding Sharks fans aside, the issue remai s is that the league needs more consistency in dishing out their punishment. The hit was borderline from all angles: no elbow, didn't leave his feet, etc. if you'd like to change the subject we can always discuss how the Teenage Mutant Ninja Hertl singlehandedly out scored the Rangers....


- Team_Teal



MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 9:57 AM ET
Dude...your asinine remark regarding Sharks fans aside, the issue remai s is that the league needs more consistency in dishing out their punishment. The hit was borderline from all angles: no elbow, didn't leave his feet, etc. if you'd like to change the subject we can always discuss how the Teenage Mutant Ninja Hertl singlehandedly out scored the Rangers....


- Team_Teal


To the victor goes the spoils. Rangers fans don't have a lot to stand on after that beating. No need to rub it in though, homey.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:00 AM ET
The league wants to make an early example of wanting plays like this eliminated. Because the elbow was down, the three game ban was issued. There was clear intent to make contact with Nash's head. Though it was with the shoulder, the shorter player did launch himself at Nash. If he never left his feet, then one could easily say Nash had his head down, but in this case he would have to be a few inches shorter to have this be.

Three games seems to be a minimum when it comes to hits to the head, so this seems fair.

- mames11



I still say that this hit doesn't deserve a suspension; what it did deserve though was a response by one of Nash's teammates. Clean hit or not, Stuart shouldn't be allowed to crush the best scoring forward on the Rangers.

The lack of pride displayed, Tuesday night, was pretty alarming.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:05 AM ET
I still say that this hit doesn't deserve a suspension; what it did deserve though was a response by one of Nash's teammates. Clean hit or not, Stuart shouldn't be allowed to crush the best scoring forward on the Rangers.

The lack of pride displayed, Tuesday night, was pretty alarming.

- MidnightMarauder



It's the Torts hangover...One of the things he never instilled in the team was to stick up for each other. I don't get it because it makes Asham and Dorsett more useless. Everyone remembers Girardi standing around watching Gabby having to fight Carcillo.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:32 AM ET
It's the Torts hangover...One of the things he never instilled in the team was to stick up for each other. I don't get it because it makes Asham and Dorsett more useless. Everyone remembers Girardi standing around watching Gabby having to fight Carcillo.
- DONMURDOCH14


That was by far the most embarrassed I ever was to have Girardi associated with the Rangers.

He has generally been a player I always liked but that night he made me sick.
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 10:33 AM ET
I still say that this hit doesn't deserve a suspension; what it did deserve though was a response by one of Nash's teammates. Clean hit or not, Stuart shouldn't be allowed to crush the best scoring forward on the Rangers.

The lack of pride displayed, Tuesday night, was pretty alarming.

- MidnightMarauder



I too was p!ssed that nobody did anything. The hit needed a response more-so from a teamate rather than from the league.

It was a suspensionable hit. Three games was fair. I do not think it was an intent to injure, but the league is trying to rid itself of unecessary hits like that. If the hit was shoulder-to-shoulder and Nash's head snapped forward and made contact with the player's shoulder, then I would be fine with no penalty. However, this was s direct contact hit to the head. There are rules against this (similiar to Clarkson leaving the bench during a fight and receiving a 10-game ban), but the difference in it is that there needs to be a set time period of suspension rather than some guys rolling a six-sided dice to determine the length of ban. This is hockey, not D&D.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:34 AM ET
hey, good news is if we completely tank this year maybe we can get in the Sam Reinhart lottery. This kid has 19 points in his first 8 games this season for Kootenay.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:35 AM ET
It's the Torts hangover...One of the things he never instilled in the team was to stick up for each other. I don't get it because it makes Asham and Dorsett more useless. Everyone remembers Girardi standing around watching Gabby having to fight Carcillo.
- DONMURDOCH14

It's been an issue with the Rangers throughout their history. In the 70's when the Rangers started to become contenders, bigger teams like the Flyers, Bruins and Flames took liberties with Ranger players at will. I remember the beating Dale Rolf took at the hands of Flyer goon Dave Schultz during the playoffs. No one on ice, or on the bench came to Rolf's aid, and the game was on national television. There's a disconnect in the Ranger organization, what happened he other night with Nash is nothing new.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:38 AM ET
It's been an issue with the Rangers throughout their history. In the 70's when the Rangers started to become contenders, bigger teams like the Flyers, Bruins and Flames took liberties with Ranger players at will. I remember the beating Dale Rolf took at the hands of Flyer goon Dave Schultz during the playoffs. No one on ice, or on the bench came to Rolf's aid, and the game was on national television. There's a disconnect in the Ranger organization, what happened he other night with Nash is nothing new.
- OLDSCHOOL#6


Hair Puller extradonaire


mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 10:40 AM ET
It's been an issue with the Rangers throughout their history. In the 70's when the Rangers started to become contenders, bigger teams like the Flyers, Bruins and Flames took liberties with Ranger players at will. I remember the beating Dale Rolf took at the hands of Flyer goon Dave Schultz during the playoffs. No one on ice, or on the bench came to Rolf's aid, and the game was on national television. There's a disconnect in the Ranger organization, what happened he other night with Nash is nothing new.
- OLDSCHOOL#6



...and people want to ban fighting. Not sure what Sather is doing in the toughness department. First, he let's Prust go, then trades Rupp (not terribly sad on this one). We have skilled players, but withouth a player like a Joey Kocur, Tie Domi, Darren Landgon, or Jeff Beukeboom patrolling the ice, our skilled guys are going to get hit....hard. Guys like Nash should not be dropping the gloves to stand up for a teamate.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:41 AM ET
It's been an issue with the Rangers throughout their history. In the 70's when the Rangers started to become contenders, bigger teams like the Flyers, Bruins and Flames took liberties with Ranger players at will. I remember the beating Dale Rolf took at the hands of Flyer goon Dave Schultz during the playoffs. No one on ice, or on the bench came to Rolf's aid, and the game was on national television. There's a disconnect in the Ranger organization, what happened he other night with Nash is nothing new.
- OLDSCHOOL#6



I remember that incident and there was no help for Rolfe. Dave Schultz was a piece of poop for fighting Rolfe. I want guys like graves on the team. Anytime someone took a liberty with Messier, Adam was right there to give the guy a tuneup. They need a player like that.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:43 AM ET
...and people want to ban fighting. Not sure what Sather is doing in the toughness department. First, he let's Prust go, then trades Rupp (not terribly sad on this one). We have skilled players, but withouth a player like a Joey Kocur, Tie Domi, Darren Landgon, or Jeff Beukeboom patrolling the ice, our skilled guys are going to get hit....hard. Guys like Nash should not be dropping the gloves to stand up for a teamate.
- mames11




Prust and Orr are the two guys I really miss.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 10:52 AM ET
hey, good news is if we completely tank this year maybe we can get in the Sam Reinhart lottery. This kid has 19 points in his first 8 games this season for Kootenay.
- jimbro83



Hahaha, at least the Rangers have their first round pick this coming draft.

Long way to go but in all honesty, if they suck this season and qualify for a lottery pick, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

All good teams with solid prospect foundations, besides Detroit, had their season or two of bad hockey and received their top draft pick(s) to build a foundation on.

mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 10:55 AM ET
Prust and Orr are the two guys I really miss.
- DONMURDOCH14



Yeah...I have no clue as to what Sather was thinking in letting Orr go in order to sign a much older Brashear to more money and ended up being totally worthless.

Terrible
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 10 @ 10:56 AM ET
Prust and Orr are the two guys I really miss.
- DONMURDOCH14


I remember when Neil Smith traded Tie Domi and Kris King for Ed Olczyk and Roger Neilson said that trade "cut his heart out"

I think Sather letting Prust go definitely hurt Torts in the same way
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 10:57 AM ET
Prust and Orr are the two guys I really miss.
- DONMURDOCH14



Sean Avery, too. Guy stood up for teamates and had skills. Guess there's no need for these players on the team, eh?
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 10:59 AM ET
I remember when Neil Smith traded Tie Domi and Kris King for Ed Olczyk and Roger Neilson said that trade "cut his heart out"

I think Sather letting Prust go definitely hurt Torts in the same way

- jimbro83



I remember that trade. I have to say Eddie worked out quite well for Keenan, though.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:01 AM ET
Prust and Orr are the two guys I really miss.
- DONMURDOCH14

That's the disconnect I'm talking about. In both cases Sather felt they were being overpaid, so he let them walk. Sometimes there's no measuring what guys like Prust and Orr mean to a team. Even folks on this site saying Prust and Orr received to much money, to many years. Well, I assure you, if Orr and or Prust were still around we wouldn' be talking about no one stood up for Nash.

Larry Brooks sure put things in perspective in his column this morning. What I took away from it was, my mantra since last summer. Rangers are not big enough, fast enough, or tough enough to win a cup.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:02 AM ET
I remember when Neil Smith traded Tie Domi and Kris King for Ed Olczyk and Roger Neilson said that trade "cut his heart out"

I think Sather letting Prust go definitely hurt Torts in the same way

- jimbro83



Prust was definitely a great teammate and a valuable player but the salary cap really handcuffed the team in trying to keep him here.

Cap management is something that a lot of teams have made mistakes on and it costs them valuable players and, in Prust's case, this was no different.

He would have stayed here without hesitation if Sather were able to match his financial requests.
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Oct 10 @ 11:06 AM ET
Prust was definitely a great teammate and a valuable player but the salary cap really handcuffed the team in trying to keep him here.

Cap management is something that a lot of teams have made mistakes on and it costs them valuable players and, in Prust's case, this was no different.

He would have stayed here without hesitation if Sather were able to match his financial requests.

- MidnightMarauder



The gap in $$$ was not enough to let him go to Montreal, IMO. I thought the idea of signing Boyle to his current contract was to keep him and Prust together a few more years. When Prust left, I immediately thought it was going to impact Boyle; and did it ever.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Oct 10 @ 11:06 AM ET
That's the disconnect I'm talking about. In both cases Sather felt they were being overpaid, so he let them walk. Sometimes there's no measuring what guys like Prust and Orr mean to a team. Even folks on this site saying Prust and Orr received to much money, to many years. Well, I assure you, if Orr and or Prust were still around we wouldn' be talking about no one stood up for Nash.

Larry Brooks sure put things in perspective in his column this morning. What I took away from it was, my mantra since last summer. Rangers are not big enough, fast enough, or tough enough to win a cup.

- OLDSCHOOL#6



Larry Brooks is also a big headline grabber though. He always goes a little too above and beyond the actual issue; to stir up a conversation about this team. There is merit in suggesting this team is not tough enough or big enough to hang with a team like Boston but I am going to let the season play out, a little longer than a week, before I form an opinion on where this team is headed.
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