No you said good!
- Fakepartofme

Schenn is fine, he's just not the elite d-man that people hoped he would be. Not like guys like Myers/Del Zotto and anyone else taken in that draft have developed into anything better. So we missed the boat on Karlsson, so did a bunch of other teams.

If you think Bozak "fits" with the leafs as a number 1 center...then you sir....are laughable.
- Fakepartofme

You're right he doesn't. Hasn't played there yet.

Rielly will be the Leafs best defensemen before this season ends.
- honesthockey

Are you even watching the games?

i know i know. Although schenn will get better. Defensive D take by far the longest to develop over any position in hockey
- clark_griswold

Ya ya I heard that for years from the schenn lovers on this board (and there were plenty)
He's simply not worth money and really dont wanna see a pilon on our blue line.
Trading Gardiner at this point, is just dumb.

Are you even watching the games?
- mykokes

By the third period in his first NHL game was the best defensmen on the ice. Either team.

Schenn is fine, he's just not the elite d-man that people hoped he would be. Not like guys like Myers/Del Zotto and anyone else taken in that draft have developed into anything better. So we missed the boat on Karlsson, so did a bunch of other teams.
- mykokes

Im not going through this again.
He's overpaid and was drafted a round to early.
Let philly keep that crap.

Trading Gardiner would be dumb right now.

By the third period in his first NHL game was the best defensmen on the ice. Either team.
- honesthockey

Most of the time I disagree with you........ in this remote instance, I have to agree with you

Trading Gardiner before he hit's press row would be wise.

Are you even watching the games?
- mykokes

what does this retort mean?
please tell me you aren't insinuating rielly was not good.

By the third period in his first NHL game was the best defensmen on the ice. Either team.
- honesthockey

I'm not argueing that he won't develop into something good to great, I won't argue that by the time he is 22, he'll likely be a fixture on out top 2 units......but he's nowhere near being our best d-man, he's probably not even top 5. To expect this remarkable leap in his play is totally insane. You want to see a 19 year old d-man ready to be the best d-man on his team? See Jacob Trouba. And if not for Ryan Suter, see Jonas Brodin.

Schenn is fine, he's just not the elite d-man that people hoped he would be. Not like guys like Myers/Del Zotto and anyone else taken in that draft have developed into anything better. So we missed the boat on Karlsson, so did a bunch of other teams.
- mykokes

no, he isn't.

I'm not argueing that he won't develop into something good to great, I won't argue that by the time he is 22, he'll likely be a fixture on out top 2 units......but he's nowhere near being our best d-man, he's probably not even top 5. To expect this remarkable leap in his play is totally insane. You want to see a 19 year old d-man ready to be the best d-man on his team? See Jacob Trouba. And if not for Ryan Suter, see Jonas Brodin.
- mykokes

Nah I still see a Drew Doughty

what does this retort mean?
please tell me you aren't insinuating rielly was not good.
- Barx

i think he was just insinuating that Rielly wasn't the best defenceman on the ice

what does this retort mean?
please tell me you aren't insinuating rielly was not good.
- Barx

Double negative?
You believe he'll be our best d-man by year's end? Based on one game where on 2 of the goals he was on the ice for, he was victimized?

i think he was just insinuating that Rielly wasn't the best defenceman on the ice
- DoubleDown

By the 3rd period he certainly was. And in his 1st NHL game.

If you think Bozak "fits" with the leafs as a number 1 center...then you sir....are laughable.
- Fakepartofme

it's a cap world. Sign a $8 million centre and who do you subtract? Im a realist. But hey, let's hear other suggestions, because whenever someone says we need a 1st line centre and a better D than Dion, i never hear their solution....

no, he isn't.
- Barx

he's pretty solid... waste of a 5th overall pick but still solid. Leafs got the best out of that deal though.

Double negative?
You believe he'll be our best d-man by year's end? Based on one game where on 2 of the goals he was on the ice for, he was victimized?
- mykokes

He was

His partner was brutal.

i think he was just insinuating that Rielly wasn't the best defenceman on the ice
- DoubleDown

honesthockeys statement was that rielly would be the leafs best dman by seasons end, and the response was 'are you even watching the games?'

anyone watching rielly play thus far has only seen a mere glimpse of how good he is going to be......

what does this retort mean?
please tell me you aren't insinuating rielly was not good.
- Barx

So was Gardiner in the first games he played in the Blue and White. Fans and media love to drool over the next big thing, all the while conveniently overlooking their flaws/inexperience.

it's a cap world. Sign a $8 million centre and who do you subtract? Im a realist. But hey, let's hear other suggestions, because whenever someone says we need a 1st line centre and a better D than Dion, i never hear their solution....
- clark_griswold

Im not a GM....but I am realist...Bozak is not a legitimate 1C....

If you think he is.....well then Im not wasting my time....you cant be help!

By the 3rd period he certainly was. And in his 1st NHL game.
- honesthockey

Great, one period. I cannot understand you, on one hand its Gardiner sucks 100% of the time, yet one period of good play (which was preceeded by two periods of very shaky play) you're ready to proclaim he'll be the best d-man by seasons end.

Gardiner in a package to Buffalo for Myers......

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle 2m

Carlyle: "We're going to continue to have that competition between our goaltenders. We think that's a great way to set ourselves up."



Translation......... we'll be able to get more in a trade for Reimer if we can squeeze in games for him

i dont see a fit with the ducks, they dont have the forward talent the leafs need aside from their top guys who they wont be trading obviously. i wouldnt mind seeing gardiner + for monahan but im not sure calgary would do it.
- MetroidPrime

hate to burst ur bubble... but ur in la la land.