Dear lord, its like saying would you trade couterier for giordano.

No one is laughing, just you.

So now you are relating giordano to ference... amazing
- Mapleleafs_91

You are claiming that a guys career is over at 30....
But you wouldn't get it..you just aren't very bright!

i dunno, he created the earth about 4.5 billion years ago and it took him 4.498 of that to create man, how long do you think it'll take him to learn to skate
- bobbyisno1

Problem is, the Eakins act can fly in the AHL. In the NHL, guys will tune him right out eventually. Especially a group of kids. Guys in the AHL are fighting for jobs. What's the worst that can happen to Yak, Hall, Ebs, Nuge etc? They get traded? They sure aren't going to be unemployed or broke any time soon, and they know it.
- Gunslinger

Absolutley, which I why I think this isn't Eakins fault.

The kids haven't grown up. Hell, I am not convinced Kadri has, but he is further ahead than they are.

You are claiming that a guys career is over at 30....
But you wouldn't get it..you just aren't very bright!
- Cooshie

Gio's career is surely not over...most D men don't even get into their groove until mid 20's.

hence why keeping Gardiner is the right call unless its going to bring in a huge piece for the leafs.

You are claiming that a guys career is over at 30....
But you wouldn't get it..you just aren't very bright!
- Cooshie

Ok now. Giordano would help our team out, but I wouldn't appreciate Nonis trading Gardiner for him.

K we have a so many prospects in the system yet you want another old guy to be the next liles. Logic

And no, i am just saying you can get a better package, more so a younger package.
- Mapleleafs_91

The fact that you are comparing Liles to Gio is enough said....
Is getting another 23yr old the most important thing to you in a trade?

Absolutley, which I why I think this isn't Eakins fault.

The kids haven't grown up. Hell, I am not convinced Kadri has, but he is further ahead than they are.
- Aetherial

It partly is. He went in there guns blazing, even dictacting what the media can and can't eat in the media lounge. A bit much, for a guy without any NHL games as a coach. Eakins did a stand up job for us and our youth, but he also became highly over rated at some point because that Marlies team had a lot of "veteran" player on the team.

i dunno, he created the earth about 4.5 billion years ago and it took him 4.498 of that to create man, how long do you think it'll take him to learn to skate
- bobbyisno1

And billion at least, look at how bad he screwed up people.

Will you guys get mad at me if I bring back the Gardiner for Couturier stuff?

Gio's career is surely not over...most D men don't even get into their groove until mid 20's.

hence why keeping Gardiner is the right call unless its going to bring in a huge piece for the leafs.
- LucasNeilson

Agreed. I still like a big shut down guy for next to Phaneuf.

Gardiner would fetch a decent return my man, I think you are quite fired up about this topic. Think about it, Anaheim moved gardiner because Lupul was making BIG bucks and he was hurt non stop for them, they didn't think in a million years he would be a 70+ point player. They tossed in a good quality D man just so that they could move lupul and open up cap space.

gardiner was and is supposed to be the main piece.

I am not making this up, gardiner would fetch the leafs a decent return.
- LucasNeilson

I personally think Gio is more then a decent return....I don't think that Gardiner will get you anything close to what a lot on here think he would. Not at this point.

Anyhow, I don't think the Leafs are getting Gio, I don't think Calgary is going to trade Gio and it all this talk started more as a joke...

The fact that Gio is being knocked by that knucklehead because he just turned 30 4 days ago is just plain stupid.

You are claiming that a guys career is over at 30....
But you wouldn't get it..you just aren't very bright!
- Cooshie

OK, I hear your point. The fact is, the dissenting view isn't moronic, no matter how much you don't like it.

Giordano is a good Dman. The Leafs could use him.

Gardiner however, has the upside to be a game changing talent. We have already seen it for periods of time.

To give up on a 23 year old Dman, for a 30 year old like Giordano is exactly what I don't want the Leafs to do. Gardiner has a couple more years until he even hits the age where most Dmen really start to round out their games.

In Giordano, we are NOT talking Lidstrom here.

It partly is. He went in there guns blazing, even dictacting what the media can and can't eat in the media lounge. A bit much, for a guy without any NHL games as a coach. Eakins did a stand up job for us and our youth, but he also became highly over rated at some point because that Marlies team had a lot of "veteran" player on the team.
- Gunslinger

Yeah, never really considered that. You could be right.

OK, I hear your point. The fact is, the dissenting view isn't moronic, no matter how much you don't like it.

Giordano is a good Dman. The Leafs could use him.

Gardiner however, has the upside to be a game changing talent. We have already seen it for periods of time.

To give up on a 23 year old Dman, for a 30 year old like Giordano is exactly what I don't want the Leafs to do. Gardiner has a couple more years until he even hits the age where most Dmen really start to round out their games.

In Giordano, we are NOT talking Lidstrom here.
- Aetherial

What he said.

Will you guys get mad at me if I bring back the Gardiner for Couturier stuff?
- BetterCallSaul

Gardiner can only be traded for someone with a similar cap hit, unless there's a blockbuster going down, Gardiner is going no where

I personally think Gio is more then a decent return....I don't think that Gardiner will get you anything close to what a lot on here think he would. Not at this point.

Anyhow, I don't think the Leafs are getting Gio, I don't think Calgary is going to trade Gio and it all this talk started more as a joke...

The fact that Gio is being knocked by that knucklehead because he just turned 30 4 days ago is just plain stupid.
- Cooshie

30 isn't old, but we don't know what we have in Gardiner yet, he isn't fully matured...yes Gio may be an upgrade right now, but what about a year or two from now after Jake has 100+ games under his belt? It could be a total different story..

You are claiming that a guys career is over at 30....
But you wouldn't get it..you just aren't very bright!
- Cooshie

i am not claiming a guys career is over at 30, i am claiming that usually they start trailing off by then. Depends the player as well. And giordano is a "whatever player", nothing spectacular in my books.

I am in awe of how many are discussing trading Gards. This is part of why other fanbases laugh at us.
We are 3-0 and we are either talking about how elite we are, or how we should be trading off our young defenseman for a 30 year old player.

After all these years, we as fans, just can't be happy with what we have.

I get most of you are bored, and killing time, but Jesus, some of you are just out to lunch.

Try to find a soft spot to land when you jump off the bandwagon people...

Flat out, best prank ever.


- Aetherial

Kind of like Leafs winning with bad Corsi.

(frank)ing smoke and mirrors!

Will you guys get mad at me if I bring back the Gardiner for Couturier stuff?
- BetterCallSaul

thing is cap space is what the problem is, we can basically take on no salary if we are making a move.

Gardiner can only be traded for someone with a similar cap hit, unless there's a blockbuster going down, Gardiner is going no where
- bobbyisno1

Yeah, I don't think he's going anywhere. Just to change the current conversation a little..

I hope not, like I said, I do like him but he has a major fault which is he can't play defense. It's why the Ducks were ok to let him go and he hasn't improved in that area of his game. Given, he is still young and has been hurt so he definitely lost some time to improve that part.....I hope he does.
- Cooshie

the ducks were ok to let him go because they had fowler and thought they had Schultz. And Burke had to take on Lupul to get the deal done. Don't assume its because the ducks didn't like him.

Yeah, never really considered that. You could be right.
- Aetherial

Well, if we think about it, did any of our youth dominate or rank near the top of AHL stas...aside from MAYBE Kadri? None of our youth blossomed into anything that great in the AHL under him. Eakins got over rated, but that's not to say he isn't a good coach. It probably got to his head, which is why he went into Edmonton so hard and is now looking so flat.

Seemed like a lot of Zigo, Hamilton etc running that ship. So I can't give Eakins much credit for the work he did with our youth outside of maybe 2 players or so.

OK, I hear your point. The fact is, the dissenting view isn't moronic, no matter how much you don't like it.

Giordano is a good Dman. The Leafs could use him.

Gardiner however, has the upside to be a game changing talent. We have already seen it for periods of time.

To give up on a 23 year old Dman, for a 30 year old like Giordano is exactly what I don't want the Leafs to do. Gardiner has a couple more years until he even hits the age where most Dmen really start to round out their games.

In Giordano, we are NOT talking Lidstrom here.
- Aetherial

I get your point and don't challenge it...but that last point is just over the top...
Is anyone claiming Gio is anything close to a Lidstrom type?
If he were a Lidstrom type, the Leafs couldn't package any player on their roster for him.

The fact that you are comparing Liles to Gio is enough said....
Is getting another 23yr old the most important thing to you in a trade?
- Cooshie

Why am i not able to compare him to liles? Because hes offensive? Liles had like 1 bad season in his career, yet recent past seasons hes been a stud offensively. What is your point