clarkson has not played 1 reg season game yet for the leafs

grabovski brought the 2nd most points since kessel joined the team.

grabo with kessel did work, but it was so rare it happend because of the love affair of 81 and 42. check the stats, i wouldnt make it up

and i agree kadri is not experienced enough to be the #1.
- big_dion

Has anyone else noticed kadri's big attitude change? He's always saying the right things now, and saying the AHL was the best route for him etc.. He doesn't seems as cocky anymore, just a little more in control of his emotions

Does this guy smoke crack or just drink excessively?
- TheCat29

why can't it be both?

Konstantinov, the greatest season by a defensive d-man ever! lol
- mykokes

? not sure of that. There have been some very good defensive d men over the years.

they were head cases that went throuh a wall to play for their team. Grabo is just all about grabo. Period. Totally different ballpark
- clark_griswold

lol what

did you guys do dinner and he talked about himself all night and make you pay the bill?

lol what

did you guys do dinner and he talked about himself all night and make you pay the bill?
- big_dion

You're right. Grabo has a great reputation around the league. Ever consider, he was traded by the habs (with some bad vibes) and bought out even though he is a 60 pt guy, then no one wanted to sign him for a bit....because he is a head case?

But you're right, he gets 60 pts. He's a winner.

You're right. Grabo has a great reputation around the league. Ever consider, he was traded by the habs (with some bad vibes) and bought out even though he is a 60 pt guy, then no one wanted to sign him for a bit....because he is a head case?

But you're right, he gets 60 pts. He's a winner.
- clark_griswold

im not saying im right, im just laughing at the picture you have painted.

you have speculation to base all your facts on...thats it.

maybe the guy was on his honeymoon for 2 weeks the day after he was bought out and he had to figure out with his family where they wanted to go.

god forbid real life decisions were made!!

nobody wanted him either yeah, im sure, did his agent tell you this in person with his cell phone records showing no intrest? seriously dude...

clarkson has not played 1 reg season game yet for the leafs

grabovski brought the 2nd most points since kessel joined the team.

grabo with kessel did work, but it was so rare it happend because of the love affair of 81 and 42. check the stats, i wouldnt make it up

and i agree kadri is not experienced enough to be the #1.
- big_dion

Come on with the conspiracy theory...

I'm not poopting on Grabovski he was a nice player, not a fan favourite though. Either way you look at his departure - he was not and would not be an integral piece to the Leafs success, anyone that argues otherwise is out of their damn mind.

? not sure of that. There have been some very good defensive d men over the years.
- bixll

We'll never know.

"The Vladinator" was a huge part of the 1997 Detroit Red Wings team that won the Stanley Cup. A Scott Stevens type defender, he was the runner up in the Norris Trophy race as best defenseman in the league. He excelled in the 1997 playoffs as perhaps the best defensive d-man in quite some time in league history. And on June 7, 1997, he and his teammates realized the greatest moment of their professional lives, as they hoisted the Stanley Cup high above their head.

He wasn't very good defensively dude to start his career. And as he got older, he adapted from an offensive "hybrid" into that stay at home beast with a big shot.
- mykokes

exactly. Wasn't a defensive stalwart until about age 30...which is when Defensive Dmen usually peak. Not saying schenn is in his league, but the jury is still out if we stole JVR. We have and will win the JVR trade for the next while. Kid is a beast. All depends on if schenn keeps developing. SCott's stats below, not exactly a d stalwart:

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ats/pdisplay.php?pid=5180

im not saying im right, im just laughing at the picture you have painted.

you have speculation to base all your facts on...thats it.

maybe the guy was on his honeymoon for 2 weeks the day after he was bought out and he had to figure out with his family where they wanted to go.

god forbid real life decisions were made!!

nobody wanted him either yeah, im sure, did his agent tell you this in person with his cell phone records showing no intrest? seriously dude...
- big_dion

I think it was reported that there were not many suitors for him...
And he signed for about 3mill? Isn't that less then what he wanted?
3mill seems pretty cheap for a "60pt" guy.

Anyhow, don't deny he is very talented but he needed to go.......

We'll never know.

"The Vladinator" was a huge part of the 1997 Detroit Red Wings team that won the Stanley Cup. A Scott Stevens type defender, he was the runner up in the Norris Trophy race as best defenseman in the league. He excelled in the 1997 playoffs as perhaps the best defensive d-man in quite some time in league history. And on June 7, 1997, he and his teammates realized the greatest moment of their professional lives, as they hoisted the Stanley Cup high above their head.
- mykokes

Fine, I am still not going to say he was the best ever. There are a couple that have turned a few heads over the other 100 years of hockey.

Fine, I am still not going to say he was the best ever. There are a couple that have turned a few heads over the other 100 years of hockey.
- bixll

hey I just said best season (i should just say statistically). I'm not sure he was the best ever.

Come on with the conspiracy theory...

I'm not poopting on Grabovski he was a nice player, not a fan favourite though. Either way you look at his departure - he was not and would not be an integral piece to the Leafs success, anyone that argues otherwise is out of their damn mind.
- Mr_Smokey

look at it this way

the leafs gave up a solid 2C who they were playing in a checking role for a 3C being played on the top line

sorry.. but i still think it was a mistake.. probably always will.

carlyle has his favorites... just like any coach.. but this is where Nonis has to say to him, listen Randy, you need to play this guy in the top 6 so he can re-prove himself so i can move him.

thats fine.. but for carlyle to shove into the depths of the lineup all but destroying his value is NOT being a team player when it comes to being part of the entire organization.

its not that they decided to go another route that bothers me.. its the manner in how they did it.

they're basically doing the same thing to liles right now.

carlyle doesnt like him so he all but destroys his career... i dont respect that in a coach.

hey I just said best season (i should just say statistically). I'm not sure he was the best ever.
- mykokes

In what way was it the best season defensively ?

im not saying im right, im just laughing at the picture you have painted.

you have speculation to base all your facts on...thats it.

maybe the guy was on his honeymoon for 2 weeks the day after he was bought out and he had to figure out with his family where they wanted to go.

god forbid real life decisions were made!!

nobody wanted him either yeah, im sure, did his agent tell you this in person with his cell phone records showing no intrest? seriously dude...
- big_dion

he sat on the open market for weeks, and got way less than he was bought out for, after bit*hing about being bought out....obviously i can't prove anything, but perception usually leads one to conclusion

look at it this way

the leafs gave up a solid 2C who they were playing in a checking role for a 3C being played on the top line

sorry.. but i still think it was a mistake.. probably always will.

carlyle has his favorites... just like any coach.. but this is where Nonis has to say to him, listen Randy, you need to play this guy in the top 6 so he can re-prove himself so i can move him.

thats fine.. but for carlyle to shove into the depths of the lineup all but destroying his value is NOT being a team player when it comes to being part of the entire organization.

its not that they decided to go another route that bothers me.. its the manner in how they did it.

they're basically doing the same thing to liles right now.

carlyle doesnt like him so he all but destroys his career... i dont respect that in a coach.
- Dozzer

How do you know Bozak's signing wasn't an integral part of the reason Kessel signed long term?
Would you have been happier had they lost Bozak to Detroit, lost Kessel to free agency and still had Grabovski for another 4yrs at 5.5mill.....and how do you know that Grabovski doesn't continue to play the way he did last year? Those are some huge risks to take that might have set the Leafs back YEARS.
Just not worth it IMHO. The moves that Nonis made were the right moves.....because next year, all Leaf fans might have been in serious deep depression had they let Bozak walk and kept Grabovski.

he sat on the open market for weeks, and got way less than he was bought out for, after bit*hing about being bought out....obviously i can't prove anything, but perception usually leads one to conclusion
- clark_griswold

He got a "prove it" deal. Of course no one was going to throw 5mil at him after having an off year for production. If he continues his pace with Washington, we will see a similar $$ contract going his way.

It's all about Corsi.

And Fenwick.

Or something like that.

I know Toronto won on Saturday night, but if you look at the advanced stats, Ottawa really one 4.899345 to 3.14159.
- Atomic Wedgie

Mmmmmm Leafs and Pie.

Come on with the conspiracy theory...

I'm not poopting on Grabovski he was a nice player, not a fan favourite though. Either way you look at his departure - he was not and would not be an integral piece to the Leafs success, anyone that argues otherwise is out of their damn mind.
- Mr_Smokey

you hear that people, no opinions but this one are valid!

look at it this way

the leafs gave up a solid 2C who they were playing in a checking role for a 3C being played on the top line

sorry.. but i still think it was a mistake.. probably always will.

carlyle has his favorites... just like any coach.. but this is where Nonis has to say to him, listen Randy, you need to play this guy in the top 6 so he can re-prove himself so i can move him.

thats fine.. but for carlyle to shove into the depths of the lineup all but destroying his value is NOT being a team player when it comes to being part of the entire organization.

its not that they decided to go another route that bothers me.. its the manner in how they did it.

they're basically doing the same thing to liles right now.

carlyle doesnt like him so he all but destroys his career... i dont respect that in a coach.
- Dozzer

Liles and Grabbo are not the same thing.

Liles can't play NHL hockey in the top 4 right now. Seriously, he just can't.

And #5,6 and 7 can be used better by young guys, PK guys, etc.

I really wish Liles could refind his game. I really liked him pre-concussion.

But he really does suck right now. And the NHL is a business - you can't get sentimental.

He's on the Marlies because he's not good enough to play with the Leafs.

Gardiner for Baertschi + picks ? Since Burke hates him lol


In all seriousness though, Gardiner isn't going anywhere right now
- t_leafs21

Baertschi AND picks???

I hope Burke doesn't hate him THAT much

he sat on the open market for weeks, and got way less than he was bought out for, after bit*hing about being bought out....obviously i can't prove anything, but perception usually leads one to conclusion
- clark_griswold

And now he's playing with Ovechkin.

He must really suck.

And now he's playing with Ovechkin.

He must really suck.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think you continue to miss the point.
No one is saying that Grabovksi sucks....quite the contrary, he is a talented hockey player. But the reason the Leafs bought him out is not as simple as looking at his talent alone.

And now he's playing with Ovechkin.

He must really suck.
- Atomic Wedgie

so far the best powerplay in the NHL. but early yet!

look at it this way

the leafs gave up a solid 2C who they were playing in a checking role for a 3C being played on the top line

sorry.. but i still think it was a mistake.. probably always will.

carlyle has his favorites... just like any coach.. but this is where Nonis has to say to him, listen Randy, you need to play this guy in the top 6 so he can re-prove himself so i can move him.

thats fine.. but for carlyle to shove into the depths of the lineup all but destroying his value is NOT being a team player when it comes to being part of the entire organization.

its not that they decided to go another route that bothers me.. its the manner in how they did it.

they're basically doing the same thing to liles right now.

carlyle doesnt like him so he all but destroys his career... i dont respect that in a coach.
- Dozzer

He got them to the playoffs last year. He's turned this team around.

I like that in a coach.