My guess is....Nordstrom fits into the long term plans and Hayes & Smith do not....
- UnnamedSource

Gotta disagree here US. Nordstrom isn't above Danault, McNeil, or Hartman eventually. He's a stop gap guy too.

Gotta disagree here US. Nordstrom isn't above Danault, McNeil, or Hartman eventually. He's a stop gap guy too.
- rollpards19

It's too early to say either or on any of the above listed players.

Here is the main reason Frolik is gone and why people need to stop thinking the Hawks could've kept him....


THE CAP WENT DOWN TO 64 MILLION!!!


You can't keep a player like Frolik when this happens.......and run the risk of losing...

Bickel....or

Leddy.....or

Rosival.....or

Handzus....

and still have to fill 3-4 roster spots...possibly 5 if you keep Frolik.....

PEOPLE STOP THE MADNESS!!
- UnnamedSource

Khabby? As have stated in several posts, the management could have kept Frolik for one more year if they wanted - i didn't say it would be easy. But they gambled on some new promising talent and it will take time. We will see how it all shakes out come playoff time.

Khabby? As have stated in several posts, the management could have kept Frolik for one more year if they wanted - i didn't say it would be easy. But they gambled on some new promising talent and it will take time. We will see how it all shakes out come playoff time.
- Topshelf2010

This is pretty much the NHL in the cap era. Bottom line guys are expendable if you believe your "core" players are good enough.

Khabby? As have stated in several posts, the management could have kept Frolik for one more year if they wanted - i didn't say it would be easy. But they gambled on some new promising talent and it will take time. We will see how it all shakes out come playoff time.
- Topshelf2010

And then what? Chances are Frolik wouldn't be sticking around for less money with us when his current contract is up. He'll want the same money if not more and he'd likely want a shot at being more than a 4th liner which he wasn't getting here.

If Stan waited until next summer to deal Frolik he wouldn't have received as much in return.

Sure, Stan could have kept Frolik but it wasn't the best move for the club.

It's too early to say either or on any of the above listed players.
- EKolb13

I'd almost guarantee Bowman already has a 2014-15 line up written in pencil. And Danault is above Nordstrom in the eyes of the front office.

I'll agree with you on the latter two, but it's still way too early to be promoting Nordstrom as some long term solution anywhere on the team. Typically, yhe bottom end of the forward lines get different personnel cycled in every couple of years. I can't see (at this point, anyways) where Nordstrom fits in on one of the top two lines.

I know you love the kid, but you can't nominate him for sainthood like DarthKane has done with Frolik. Not yet, anyways. He's got to do a hell of a lot more before that happens.


- EKolb13

I look at Nordstrom as a cheap solution who will grow into the bottom six forward and continue to develop like Krueger has....I don't believe he has top six potential but could fill in due to injury....he will be a cheap player as the cap continues to rise thus being in the long term plans of the hawks.....

Gotta disagree here US. Nordstrom isn't above Danault, McNeil, or Hartman eventually. He's a stop gap guy too.
- rollpards19

I've never said he is above Danault or McNeil or Harman all three of those are former number 1 pics.....I think he is more than a stop gap guy and the FO views him more as a Krueger type of player.....like I said role player who will hit, smart with the puck, and tough along the boards.....more than a stop gap....which is what Pirri, Hayes,Smith, and Morin are...

I'd almost guarantee Bowman already has a 2014-15 line up written in pencil. And Danault is above Nordstrom in the eyes of the front office.
- rollpards19

Good grasp of the obvious considering Danault is a former number 1

I'll agree with you on the latter two, but it's still way too early to be promoting Nordstrom as some long term solution anywhere on the team. Typically, yhe bottom end of the forward lines get different personnel cycled in every couple of years. I can't see (at this point, anyways) where Nordstrom fits in on one of the top two lines.

I know you love the kid, but you can't nominate him for sainthood like DarthKane has done with Frolik. Not yet, anyways. He's got to do a hell of a lot more before that happens.


- EKolb13

Khabby? As have stated in several posts, the management could have kept Frolik for one more year if they wanted - i didn't say it would be easy. But they gambled on some new promising talent and it will take time. We will see how it all shakes out come playoff time.
- Topshelf2010

Khabby was signed as a back up to Crawford and he was he best option out there.....and the Hawks have no one in their system at this time....including Raanta that can be a reliable back up......so again Frolik had to go and management could not afford to keep him....

- DarthKane

I'd almost guarantee Bowman already has a 2014-15 line up written in pencil. And Danault is above Nordstrom in the eyes of the front office.
- rollpards19

I think Bowman has some ideas as to who might slot where next season. As to the idea that Danault will be ahead of Nordstrom, that's still up in the air. That depends on how much both of them develop over this season.

I'd said it a couple of season ago that Danault might be the next Bolland, and I still think he will be. The question is how long will it take for Danault to arrive? Does he need a partial season in Rockford to get there? Does he need a full season? Perhaps even two seasons?

The edge Nordstrom has on Danault is that he's actually in the show right now. Also, it was pretty evident that Nordstrom was far ahead of Danault. Nordstrom could work his way into a Rockford line-up late last season that was fighting tooth & nail for a spot in the Calder Cup Playoffs and both Danault & McNeill could barely get any any minutes being put in the same situation. Minutes were going to veterans and players who could bring their game to another level at that time. That's what Nordstrom did late last season - he could take it up another notch where Danault couldn't do that (as of yet).

Maybe someday (soon?) Danault will pass up Nordstrom on the depth chart. As of right now, that isn't happening. Who knows, Nordstrom could really surprise a lot of people and show that he's much better than 4th line role player?

- DarthKane

Somehow I suspect you're not ready to set him free yet.

I think Bowman has some ideas as to who might slot where next season. As to the idea that Danault will be ahead of Nordstrom, that's still up in the air. That depends on how much both of them develop over this season.

I'd said it a couple of season ago that Danault might be the next Bolland, and I still think he will be. The question is how long will it take for Danault to arrive? Does he need a partial season in Rockford to get there? Does he need a full season? Perhaps even two seasons?

The edge Nordstrom has on Danault is that he's actually in the show right now. Also, it was pretty evident that Nordstrom was far ahead of Danault. Nordstrom could work his way into a Rockford line-up late last season that was fighting tooth & nail for a spot in the Calder Cup Playoffs and both Danault & McNeill could barely get any any minutes being put in the same situation. Minutes were going to veterans and players who could bring their game to another level at that time. That's what Nordstrom did late last season - he could take it up another notch where Danault couldn't do that (as of yet).

Maybe someday (soon?) Danault will pass up Nordstrom on the depth chart. As of right now, that isn't happening. Who knows, Nordstrom could really surprise a lot of people and show that he's much better than 4th line role player?
- EKolb13

This.....and also this is why Eli knows his noodles...

Somehow I suspect you're not ready to set him free yet.
- EKolb13

Obviously it would have been nice if Frolik stayed in Chicago, but I'm happy that he's getting a chance to be more than a 4th liner. Of all the teams he could have been traded to I'm glad it was Winnipeg, I've been watching the Jets closely since they came back into the league.

Over the past few years we've lost a lot of good players due to cap issues and I doubt Frolik will be the last.

I've never said he is above Danault or McNeil or Harman all three of those are former number 1 pics.....I think he is more than a stop gap guy and the FO views him more as a Krueger type of player.....like I said role player who will hit, smart with the puck, and tough along the boards.....more than a stop gap....which is what Pirri, Hayes,Smith, and Morin are...
- UnnamedSource

Where's he going to play, they're running out of roster spots. 2nd line center, 3RW and 4RW are the only open positions. Based on scouting reports and what I've seen of his natural talent, he's never going to score enough to be above a 4th liner. I see Danault supplanting him because, like you said, it's obvious he's a first rounder with work effort. Stop gap IMO

I think Bowman has some ideas as to who might slot where next season. As to the idea that Danault will be ahead of Nordstrom, that's still up in the air. That depends on how much both of them develop over this season.

I'd said it a couple of season ago that Danault might be the next Bolland, and I still think he will be. The question is how long will it take for Danault to arrive? Does he need a partial season in Rockford to get there? Does he need a full season? Perhaps even two seasons?

The edge Nordstrom has on Danault is that he's actually in the show right now. Also, it was pretty evident that Nordstrom was far ahead of Danault. Nordstrom could work his way into a Rockford line-up late last season that was fighting tooth & nail for a spot in the Calder Cup Playoffs and both Danault & McNeill could barely get any any minutes being put in the same situation. Minutes were going to veterans and players who could bring their game to another level at that time. That's what Nordstrom did late last season - he could take it up another notch where Danault couldn't do that (as of yet).

Maybe someday (soon?) Danault will pass up Nordstrom on the depth chart. As of right now, that isn't happening. Who knows, Nordstrom could really surprise a lot of people and show that he's much better than 4th line role player?
- EKolb13

This!

This.....and also this is why Eli knows his noodles...
- UnnamedSource

Thanks. Any idiot can tell the difference between elbow macaroni and shells.

Where's he going to play, they're running out of roster spots. 2nd line center, 3RW and 4RW are the only open positions. Based on scouting reports and what I've seen of his natural talent, he's never going to score enough to be above a 4th liner. I see Danault supplanting him because, like you said, it's obvious he's a first rounder with work effort. Stop gap IMO
- rollpards19

Being a 1st round pick shouldn't really have too much of a bearing as to if a prospect will make it to the NHL. Given, the talent level that is shown gives some indication as to the chances being a little better then the next guy. Being a first round pick doesn't automatically give a player the drive and determination, or the God given talents to succeed in the next level(s).

There is more than enough 1st round busts out there to support this.

Where's he going to play, they're running out of roster spots. 2nd line center, 3RW and 4RW are the only open positions. Based on scouting reports and what I've seen of his natural talent, he's never going to score enough to be above a 4th liner. I see Danault supplanting him because, like you said, it's obvious he's a first rounder with work effort. Stop gap IMO
- rollpards19

If he is a valuable PK'r and accepts being a role player and only makes around 1 million to 1.5 million....in a salary cap world with money going to Kane & Toews there will always be a spot for him....count on it...not a stop gap. It is more likely Hartman replaces Shaw if projections turn out to be true......

Nobody. Would you take a pay cut at work to keep one of your buddies around? Plus Buff and Ladd wanted to be "the guys" on a team, and that's respectable
- rollpards19

To be honest I would. But I'm a moron of course I realize it is about more than them. They have families to support. But I guess it would have to do with how much of a pay cut. Plus they have the PA to contend with and agents

Being a 1st round pick shouldn't really have too much of a bearing as to if a prospect will make it to the NHL. Given, the talent level that is shown gives some indication as to the chances being a little better then the next guy. Being a first round pick doesn't automatically give a player the drive and determination, or the God given talents to succeed in the next level(s).

There is more than enough 1st round busts out there to support this.
- EKolb13

There sure is. Just ask Beach, Skille, Barker, Yakubov, Vorobiev and McCarthy.

There sure is. Just ask Beach, Skille, Barker, Yakubov, Vorobiev and McCarthy.
- DarthKane

PHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK'N BUMS....ALL OF 'EM

PHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK'N BUMS....ALL OF 'EM

- philco28

The list goes waaayy back farther than them. If you are ever bored, check out Hawk draft choice since, well pick any time you like. Its a whole lot of barf.