That wasn't very nice.
- dshiddy

shut up

Your brother doesnt watch canucks hockey then...
- RF_4eva

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.
- Beatle_john

nucks fans say that about every player

Do NOT trade with Calgary this season....just sayin
- jimi james

Not even liles for a 1st

nucks fans say that about every player
- Zezel

Yep if the twins leave it will be they are too old, or too expensive for their age etc

Yep if the twins leave it will be they are too old, or too expensive for their age etc
- jribout

Burke players

Yep if the twins leave it will be they are too old, or too expensive for their age etc
- jribout

Softest twins in the league. You cant win with twins like that

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.
- Beatle_john

So he's a hybrid of Brian Savage and Russ Courtnal?

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.
- Beatle_john

I just looked at his 09/10 season and he had 4 points in his first 15 games. He ended up with 53 points that year. He faded in the last 10 games or so, but that's about all. Im not saying...im just saying. After your theory was debunked on my first attempt, I didn't bother with other seasons.

That said, he's a third liner, and if you guys used him properly reaction to him leaving might have been different. You can't expect much consistency and ppg paces from third line players.

Because in baseball it works. It's logical. It's not the case in hockey. in baseball everyone was so into HR and power stats and RBI's ect that they overlooked OB% and the like. There is no such correlation in hockey.


taking a shot isnt indicative of possession.
- burn

completely agree.

the absolute best example of the uselessness of the "possession stat" in hockey is the one and only Jason Blake.

he probably had higher possession time than 90-95% of the forwards in the league, and also as likely that he took more shots than 90-95% of the forwards in the league.

out of those 300+ shots per year (average guestimate over 80+ games)... how many goals did he score, and how many of his shots really should just have counted as turnovers?

- Zezel

Having leftovers this morning...yum, crispy capon

Did Corsi or Fenwick win last night?

Oh wait, the Leafs won!

Suck it, biznatches!!!!
- SofaKingBored

Leafs should actually get one of their prospects to change his name to

Fenwick Wendell Di Corsi.

how awesome would that be?

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.
- Beatle_john

what's not being said clearly if at all.. particularly in the Canuck threads is why Raymond wasn't even offered a contract by the Canucks.

really could only be for one of two reasons (and I believe its the second)
1) they no longer wanted the player on their roster
2) they knew they couldn't offer him a 2-3million per year due to the genius of Mr. Gillis' cap management... and so they didn't.

I find it quite interesting and entertaining how through the Canuck threads they repeatedly talk about if they had just signed "this player" or "that player"... which they couldn't ... the only guys they did sign were all 1M or less per year types..

which again speaks volumes about how screwed their CAP situation is - and clearly their owners had no appetite to buyout anyone beyond Ballard.

completely agree.

the absolute best example of the uselessness of the "possession stat" in hockey is the one and only Jason Blake.

he probably had higher possession time than 90-95% of the forwards in the league, and also as likely that he took more shots than 90-95% of the forwards in the league.

out of those 300+ shots per year (average guestimate over 80+ games)... how many goals did he score, and how many of his shots really should just have counted as turnovers?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Never bring up this name again

That is clearly Bull. Raymond will excite.... great on the Shoot Out, and by extension Breakaways and Penalty Shots. But he is streaky. Look at his first 15 games in any Canuck season and you will see, other than his 25 goal year, up to 40% of his points came in that 15 games. After that he fades and has more games without a shot, hit or anything constructive than not.

Enjoy him, I would agree that Vancouver fans want to see him succeed and have a special place in their hearts for a guy who broke his back in the finals... but you would be very hard pressed to find a fan who wanted him to stay.
- Beatle_john

I cant wait til the Leafs and Nucks.Hammer time

must be a tween thing or something..... It's pretty bad when you go to urban dictionary to look up an insult and the reply has more poop you don't know.


WTF is "MMFPS PlanetSide"


Has to one of the worst attempts ever, and if I'm understanding this teenie-bopper nonsense correctly completely inaccurate.
- burn

Massively Multiplayer First Person Shooter.

MMORPG is Massively Multiplayer Role Playing Game, like World of Warcraft.

Sure, he's a bargain at 1m.... But not at 2.5m like we were paying.

He's a great penalty killer, and 3rd line checker. Looks like he's found chemistry with Bolland... Funny considering he hated him on the Hawks.
- dshiddy

A great penalty and 3rd line checker who can score once in a while is worth 2.5 million in today's NHL.

Never mind.

Never mind.
- GCHonda

Drink beer.....

A great penalty and 3rd line checker who can score once in a while is worth 2.5 million in today's NHL.
- Aetherial

Unless you throw out some plugs on your third line and hope the first two lines can carry the team on their own.

Drink beer.....
- Fruitcakenipple

Nahhh, alcohol is only a band aid solution. Just masks but never solves anything.

nucks fans say that about every player
- Zezel

How quickly they tossed aside their undying love for Schneider... "head case, ginger, no soul, bad in the dressing room" etc etc