It will when we trade him
- Garnie

Package Reimer, Phaneuf, and Gards to NYI for Tavares

My point is that you could have great possesion stats, but if your goalie is pure junk you will not be successful. On the flip side, solid goaltending on your team will over come poor possesion stats. So they don't really cancel each other out, because im referring to each team as an individual and their ability to over come or ignore their advanced stats.
- Gunslinger

We are in agreement on their predictive ability for small sample sizes.

Wow, I would never have thought my Colts were going to beat the Seahawks.

A year or two ago, I would have traded our roster for the Oilers. Well, I wouldn't have, but I would have strongly considered it.

Funny how a little patience changes everything. I wouldnt trade our roster with any team aside from Boston, LA, Chicago and Pitts.

Feel free to troll this post. I stand by it.
- Gunslinger

I'd trade the Habs for the Blues...but I agree the Habs have a lot good things happening

Lets not compare baseball to hockey, especially using advanced stats. It's common knowledge in baseball that a pitcher greatly impacts outcomes of games, and that a hot or good pitcher is more likely to win than a poor or cold pitcher. Its the same in hockey.

Pitchers and Goalies have a lot in common, and are primarily responsible for shutting down the other teams ability to score. Sadly, these advanced stats treat good goaltending and special teams as luck...a fluke if you will. Horrible.

I'd trade the Habs for the Blues...but I agree the Habs have a lot good things happening
- Zezel

Who wouldn't? Besides Scotch Tape?

They have soft hands but play rough
- Zezel

Package Reimer, Phaneuf, and Gards to NYI for Tavares
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Tavares should have grown a pair and signed just long enough to be a UFA and then come play for the team he truly loves and wants to be a part of. It's such a waste seeing that kid and that talent waste away on the Islanders. He doesn't get anywhere near the respect, praise and attention he would on so many other teams.

Package Reimer, Phaneuf, and Gards to NYI for Tavares
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Does he play D now?

We need some D our O is just fine

Who wouldn't? Besides Scotch Tape?
- Gunslinger

Habs Leafs Sens all B+ teams with a bright future.

I'd trade the Habs for the Blues...but I agree the Habs have a lot good things happening
- Zezel

Desharnais?

Habs Leafs Sens all B+ teams with a bright future.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I agree, just not so much about the Habs. Im not that sold on their future. They have that one sick line, and Subban...but little else. Sorry, I don't think Price is as good as many think and make him out to be.

Lets not compare baseball to hockey, especially using advanced stats. It's common knowledge in baseball that a pitcher greatly impacts outcomes of games, and that a hot or good pitcher is more likely to win than a poor or cold pitcher. Its the same in hockey.

Pitchers and Goalies have a lot in common, and are primarily responsible for shutting down the other teams ability to score. Sadly, these advanced stats treat good goaltending and special teams as luck...a fluke if you will. Horrible.
- Gunslinger

Buffalo made it to the cup finals one year removed from having the 2nd worst SA SF differential. Actually tied for last, my mistake!

Funny how that works. Wonder how they did that.

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freaken thing is psychic.












stupid CBC time delay

I agree, just not so much about the Habs. Im not that sold on their future. They have that one sick line, and Subban...but little else. Sorry, I don't think Price is as good as many think and make him out to be.
- Gunslinger

Price has this year and next to prove something - anything

Even though I think baseball is better for advanced stats they still don't have a great track record with their predictions. Look at this season.

Angels to win the west: nope
Detroit to win the central: yes
Yankees to win the east: nope
Wild card: Texas (missed playoffs), Red Sox (won division)

Dodgers to win the west: nope
- daeth[edit, sorry, should say yes]
Reds to win central: nope
Nationals to win east: nope
Wild card: Giants, Cards&Dbacks (only cards made the playoffs)

Yeah, but how did their predictions go in the middle of July??

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freaken thing is psychic.












stupid CBC time delay
- bobbyisno1

That sucks

Does he play D now?

We need some D our O is just fine
- Garnie

But Tavares would put us over the top.

Gunnar Franson
Liles Rielly
Ranger Fraser
MacWilliam

The D isn't horrible. Once they settle in they will be good. All good skaters maybe other than fraser. I like what Boak has done so far, but ideally he should be on the third line, pk , and taking big draws.

hooked up mu Bud light, thing goes off 3 seconds before the Leafs score.
freaken thing is psychic.












stupid CBC time delay
- bobbyisno1

They mentioned that in between periods actually lol. poopty.

But Tavares would put us over the top.

Gunnar Franson
Liles Rielly
Ranger Fraser
MacWilliam

The D isn't horrible. Once they settle in they will be good. All good skaters maybe other than fraser. I like what Boak has done so far, but ideally he should be on the third line, pk , and taking big draws.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I guess, let's see how they look the next 10 games before we trade D for forwards

Fellas the analogy with the 90% is simple. If a child gets 90% on his exam, it can be argued that his knowledge of the subject matter isn't perfect. It can also be argued that his knowledge of the subject matter is pretty (frank)ing good. Same thing with advanced stats. They aren't perfect but they have been proven to be quite accurate in deciphering good teams from bad. That cannot be argued because it is supported by data that cannot be debated. It doesn't mean that a team cannot be good by sucking in these areas. It just means that more often than not, being good in these areas means you'll have on ice success. You can argue that theory till you're blue in the face but it doesn't change anything. If you're given 2 sample tes and one team has great fenwick/corsi and the other team has poop fenwick/corsi, which would you assume had the better record?

I guess, let's see how they look the next 10 games before we trade D for forwards
- Garnie

Bring in another experienced defender too.

This will never happen.. just fantasy..

Poor James Reimer. that .920 last season gets him no credit
- Talkshowhost

I'm still a fan of Reimer....but having Bernier and Reimer? Advanced stats can kiss my ass.

A year or two ago, I would have traded our roster for the Oilers. Well, I wouldn't have, but I would have strongly considered it.

Funny how a little patience changes everything. I wouldnt trade our roster with any team aside from Boston, LA, Chicago and Pitts.

Feel free to troll this post. I stand by it.
- Gunslinger

you think the Canadiens have that strong of a line up

Fellas the analogy with the 90% is simple. If a child gets 90% on his exam, it can be argued that his knowledge of the subject matter isn't perfect. It can also be argued that his knowledge of the subject matter is pretty (frank)ing good. Same thing with advanced stats. They aren't perfect but they have been proven to be quite accurate in deciphering good teams from bad. That cannot be argued because it is supported by data that cannot be debated. It doesn't mean that a team cannot be good by sucking in these areas. It just means that more often than not, being good in these areas means you'll have on ice success. You can argue that theory till you're blue in the face but it doesn't change anything. If you're given 2 sample tes and one team has great fenwick/corsi and the other team has poop fenwick/corsi, which would you assume had the better record?
- scotch_tape

But can they predict anything? No.

You seem to be trying to miss the point. Mission accomplished!

But can they predict anything? No.

You seem to be trying to miss the point. Mission accomplished!
- djamon

Is it predicting if you're only right 90% of the time?