Yeah, Burke looks like a big-time drunk now.
- RogerRoeper

The irishmen look its just how we age.

Their predicitve power has been proved accurate.

They are best used over big samples, yes.
- Talkshowhost

LOL!

The fun never ends.

Simply, it is not accurate. If it was accurate, lots of people would be making lots of money. They aren't.

Yeah, Burke looks like a big-time drunk now.
- RogerRoeper

When they showed him on the tube last night he looks like he has aged 10 years in the past 6 months....

No. No they haven't.

No more, no less than a teams win/loss record in a season. Or goals for/against totals. In fact, those bush stats just completely (frank)ed up last nights outcome. Predictive power? My ass.
- systemtool

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.

When they showed him on the tube last night he looks like he has aged 10 years in the past 6 months....
- Iggysbff

Working for the flames will do that.

So it's the wins in the playoffs that impress Canucks fans?
- Atomic Wedgie

We are an easy going people. Happy and content. Wins in the regular season or wins in the playoffs, doesn't matter. It's the effort that counts.

I appreciate that you took the time to post that link and try to make a positive contribution to the thread.

I won't be following the link however because it is a complete and utter waste of time.
- Aetherial

oh well alright...

The irishmen look its just how we age.
- Yeti1181

Yeah, it's just how Irishmen age...they age drunkenly

Yeah, it's just how Irishmen age...they age drunkenly
- Zezel

Pretty much. It the reverse fountain of youth effect.

We are an easy going people. Happy and content. Wins in the regular season or wins in the playoffs, doesn't matter. It's the effort that counts.



- bloatedmosquito

Lie to your friends not us.

Don't let people talking math upset you man. .
- Talkshowhost

There it is...

The stand by math insult.

You making money in Vegas yet?

Pretty much. It tye reverse fountain of youth effect.
- Yeti1181

Also known as the fountain of Guinness and Jameson effect

It's like Eastern European women. At about 29 they jump to 76 years of age and grow many hairy moles.

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

Horrendous example and counter-arguement.

Do you think advanced stats are 90% effective? YOU brought up the 90%, not me.

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

I really don't care how those stats reflect on the Leafs this season, last season or next season. It's a pointless stat that does little to represent which team is actually better and who wins the game.

My team won last night, despite those stats, and that's all I really care about. If you really think im upset because my team won the game but lost a stat category based on shots taken, you're just being as stubborn as you claim Im being.

Bringing home 90% is the same as winning the hockey game. That other 10% is like losing the game, but winning a shot based stat.

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

That's an awful analogy.

Leaf fans hate stat monkeys because they like to shove these made up stats down our throats to try and "prove" our success last year was unsustainable.

They're just one more way to try and analyze the game...but they are not predictive in any way.

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

That's an awful analogy.

Leaf fans hate stat monkeys because they like to shove these made up stats down our throats to try and "prove" our success last year was unsustainable.

They're just one more way to try and analyze the game...but they are not predictive in any way.
- djamon

It's a terrible argument because when the leafs were missing the playoffs they reflected positively on the leafs.... How'd that work out

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

That's dumb. Why would we care if the stats reflected poorly on the Leafs last season? That's like telling some guy he's ugly even though he's tap'n Kate Upton nightly.....he doesn't really give a flying (frank).

You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

Here is where you are wrong.

I LOVED that the Leafs beat the stats last season. It just proved that their predictive power is not worth sh1t.

If you can't trust something to be right. If it is sort of right *most* of the time, then what good is it.

Very large sample sizes are useless, for a game, or a playoff series, or a head-to-head season series... and even over a season.

It's a terrible argument because when the leafs were missing the playoffs they reflected positively on the leafs.... How'd that work out
- burn

And when were out-shooting teams consistently, but losing because our goaltending sucked balls what did those stats mean then?

You are 100 percent incorrect. And I know that you're too stubborn to reason with, which is cool. But you're arguing that because something isn't perfect, it's useless. It's like the father who criticizes a child for bringing home a 90% on his math exam because he couldn't solve 2 problems. Let's put the bullpoop aside here. You despise these stats because they reflected poorly on the Leafs last season. That's it.
- scotch_tape

Why would anyone use stats to predict team success or failure from one year to the next? I can see GMs using advanced stats to SUPPORT decisions they are making on individual players. Beyond that hockey analyst wannabes like Yost might use them to support whatever theories make them feel better - Leafs suck.

Why on earth would I care about what stats tell me about the Leafs performance last year? I watched the games (except for certain parts of the overtime in game 7 in Boston.)

That's an awful analogy.

Leaf fans hate stat monkeys because they like to shove these made up stats down our throats to try and "prove" our success last year was unsustainable.

They're just one more way to try and analyze the game...but they are not predictive in any way.
- djamon

Yes they are.
http://www.fearthefin.com...ng-score-adjusted-fenwick

http://www.nhl.com/ice/st...e=con#&navid=nav-stn-conf

That's an awful analogy.

Leaf fans hate stat monkeys because they like to shove these made up stats down our throats to try and "prove" our success last year was unsustainable.

They're just one more way to try and analyze the game...but they are not predictive in any way.
- djamon

What's worse is that people try to use those stats as predictors and they are terrible at it.

Corsi fans are constantly trying to tell us the actual results are wrong and not their half-baked predictions. They decide on the conclusion, then force reality to match up.

"Oh, the Leafs are winning in spite of my plethora of convoluted numbers? Must be luck. Let's assign a numerical value for luck, too."

When reality doesn't match your hypothesis, you change your hypothesis.

Yes they are.
http://www.fearthefin.com...ng-score-adjusted-fenwick

http://www.nhl.com/ice/st...e=con#&navid=nav-stn-conf
- Talkshowhost

Only sort of kind of part of the time, sometimes.