It's a proxy for possession, you have to have the puck to shoot it.
- Talkshowhost

Corsi would say the Krutov - Larionov - Makarov line was weak in terms of possession.

Would you say that's an accurate evaluation, based on what we know about their game?

Corsi would say the Krutov - Larionov - Makarov line was weak in terms of possession.

Would you say that's an accurate evaluation, based on what we know about their game?
- The Shrike

Who?

Corsi would say the Krutov - Larionov - Makarov line was weak in terms of possession.

Would you say that's an accurate evaluation, based on what we know about their game?
- The Shrike

They had Jason Blake as one of Toronto's best player when he was here...

all those shots directly at the goalie. What a beast.

No, what happened???
- lumlums

http://youtu.be/5iD7e7se9Jc


Check out the staredown Healy gives Elliot and the weird insult at the end of the clip.

Fair enough. I foresee him proving it shortly though
- Dozzer

Bernier is already the #1 in my book. His fight, his ability to win a shoot out and he's French. They make good goalies to go along with their poutine.

Bozak missed about 3 really good chances; guy lacks finish, but he's a useful cog on that line (took a hit to make a play that ended up being JVR's goal).
- gravyface

The anti-Bozak's can say what they want about him. The facts are the facts. The Bozak/Kessel/JVR line is a proven established line that works, BOTTON LINE! The Grabbo/MacArthur/Kule line had one sucessful season together but could never sustain it. That's why Grabbo is in Was & Mac is in Ott.

Fenwick and Corsi also don't take into account the fact that the Leafs are probably a top 5 team at scoring off the rush. They truly aren't a great possession team but their scoring numbers are likely sustainable as is their goaltending & PK.
- daeth

How do you even begin to determine that though? Watch all 30 teams?

http://youtu.be/5iD7e7se9Jc


Check out the staredown Healy gives Elliot and the weird insult at the end of the clip.
- Leafland

PJ loved that.

Yeah but the public data collected does show a strong correlation with winning. It's not perfect, and of course statistics need context but I can't beleive people don't think getting more shots than your opponent is a key to winning.
- Talkshowhost

Team A = 40 shots from the perimeter
Team B = 20 shots from the slot

Does this mean Team A is twice as likely to win the game?

http://youtu.be/5iD7e7se9Jc


Check out the staredown Healy gives Elliot and the weird insult at the end of the clip.
- Leafland

You would like that. You (frank)ing candy striper.

They had Jason Blake as one of Toronto's best player when he was here...

all those shots directly at the goalie. What a beast.
- daeth

Jason Blake: Destroyer of Logos!

JVR and Bolland, quickly becoming 2 of my favourites on the team. (frank), I love our roster.
- systemtool

indeed.

Well no, that's not true.

They won in the shoot out.
- Dozzer

By scoring more goals.

Bernier is already the #1 in my book. His fight, his ability to win a shoot out and he's French. They make good goalies to go along with their poutine.
- weirdoh

Yup.. Can't beat a French goalie

They had Jason Blake as one of Toronto's best player when he was here...

all those shots directly at the goalie. What a beast.
- daeth

Also he would never pass the puck and if he couldn't break through the red line he would skate in a circle back to his own end...POSSESSION!

How do you even begin to determine that though? Watch all 30 teams?
- Talkshowhost

Based on the fact that they score most of their goals off the rush and have been a top 10 scoring team over the last couple seasons?

2013: 6th
2012: 10th

By scoring more goals.
- systemtool

I don't count shoot out goals

Nor does the league stats

It's a proxy for possession, you have to have the puck to shoot it.
- Talkshowhost

But if you don't shoot it doesn't mean you didn't have it. fly in the ointment.

You would like that. You (frank)ing candy striper.
- weirdoh

Woah, (frank) you too bud!

Team A = 40 shots from the perimeter
Team B = 20 shots from the slot

Does this mean Team A is twice as likely to win the game?
- The Shrike

That never unfolds like that.

PJ loved that.
- daeth

Anything that took the attention off his suit lol

That never unfolds like that.
- Talkshowhost

it's actually a lot closer to reality than you seem to care to acknowledge.

I don't count shoot out goals

Nor does the league stats
- Dozzer

You're missing the point. They won the shootout by scoring more goals in the shootout, which the league counts and awards an extra point for.

You don't need to count it, like it, watch it or believe in it. You still have to outscore your opponent in a shootout to win. You don't actually win it by getting more shots on net, despite it's name.

Dave Bolland is also proving to be a treat to watch. That Bodie kid has wheels. The D is in complete shambles. All around.

Who?
- Talkshowhost

The old, famous, KLM line.

I used them as an example, since those Canada Russia clashes were where we first ran into teams that held onto the puck for higher percentage shots. Back in the day, people would say the Russians were lucky they had good goaltending, otherwise our considerable shot total advantage would lead to us routing them. Even then, I knew different.