Steve Bernier. Jonathan Bernier.

Whatever.

/Team Lou Nolan
- johndewar

One's a sneaky sucker punching bag of poop and one's a still unproven NHL goalie.

If they're generating chances and not scoring, that has zero to do with the coach. The coach has to put them in a position to win, and the players have to execute.
- jmatchett383

You know that and I know that, but the NHL is littered with the corpses of coaches who put players in position to win...but didn't win.

One's a sneaky sucker punching bag of poop and one's a still unproven NHL goalie.
- jmatchett383

Oh, I know.

I was just blindly defending Lou.

If he had played in the game than yes. Fortunately Steve was no where near the net that Jonathan Bernier was in.
- mayorofangrytown

Hahah. Got it. Oops. Lol

Not scoring at 5 on 5 play is the symptom. Have to look deeper at the root cause. And the root cause last year, of not scoring on 5 on 5, was not personell. It was inability to breakout and transition against a tough forecheck. It was poor defensive zone coverage, leading to spending too much time in their own end. And it was an over aggressive forecheck leading to easy transition for the opposition, to ente the Flyers zone. And giving up too many odd man rushes. Again leading to extended time in their own zone defending. So to say that defense and all that other stuff doesn't matter, is simply false. It matters a great deal. Defense creates offense. You can't score if can't breakout and transition the puck. You won't score if you're spending too much time in you're own end.
Now why they didn't score more then 1 goal in the first game, is completely different then last year. They just didn't finish well. They had a bunch of really good opportunities that they failed to convert. They need to continue to play how they did in game 1. Tighten up a few things, and execute better. And they'll be fine.
- MJL

You watched the same game I did. They did all those things, and didn't score. They couldn't in the preseason. And as I pointed out last week, plenty of teams are, indeed, scoring.

At some point -- and I'm not necessarily saying this is the point, nor am I necessarily saying any one person is to blame -- but at some point, everyone needs to take a deep breath and acknowledge the difference between a player like Wayne Simmonds and a player like Radim Vrbata.

Totally different style of play. Totally different. How they score goals is totally different.

All I'm saying is that sometimes, you can have too many guys like Wayne Simmonds and not enough guys like Radim Vrbata.

And I think...we might.

For anyone that was at the game, this isn't true is it?

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
"Steve Bernier" announced as a star by arena announcer in Philly. Hmmmm.
- PLindbergh31

I'll log it under " who gives a poop"

Hello All!

Wonderful Friday in Flyersville?

I am suprised to see Voracek on the 3rd line. I understand trying to spread the wealth around a bit. I'm wondering if Lavi noticed the same thing I did. When you have Giroux, Hartnell, and Voracek together they try and play nothing but a cute low percentage play. Though I would rather Voracek play with Vinny on the second line.

Read- Vinny- Jake.... THE JVR Line.

Hello All!

Wonderful Friday in Flyersville?

I am suprised to see Voracek on the 3rd line. I understand trying to spread the wealth around a bit. I'm wondering if Lavi noticed the same thing I did. When you have Giroux, Hartnell, and Voracek together they try and play nothing but a cute low percentage play. Though I would rather Voracek play with Vinny on the second line.

Read- Vinny- Jake.... THE JVR Line.
- youarewrong

urong

You watched the same game I did. They did all those things, and didn't score. They couldn't in the preseason. And as I pointed out last week, plenty of teams are, indeed, scoring.

At some point -- and I'm not necessarily saying this is the point, nor am I necessarily saying any one person is to blame -- but at some point, everyone needs to take a deep breath and acknowledge the difference between a player like Wayne Simmonds and a player like Radim Vrbata.

Totally different style of play. Totally different. How they score goals is totally different.

All I'm saying is that sometimes, you can have too many guys like Wayne Simmonds and not enough guys like Radim Vrbata.

And I think...we might.
- AllInForFlyers

We have guys that know how to put the puck in the net. That I am not worried about. All we need if for Schenn and Couturier to take the next step.

I thought I heard Lou say that accidentally as I was walking to PB elevator.... but I was more incredulous that Troy Bodie was picked as the game's first star.
- bmeltzer

who?

If he had played in the game than yes. Fortunately Steve was no where near the net that Jonathan Bernier was in.
- mayorofangrytown

i say unfortunately, we would have had better results on some of those chances

You watched the same game I did. They did all those things, and didn't score. They couldn't in the preseason. And as I pointed out last week, plenty of teams are, indeed, scoring.

At some point -- and I'm not necessarily saying this is the point, nor am I necessarily saying any one person is to blame -- but at some point, everyone needs to take a deep breath and acknowledge the difference between a player like Wayne Simmonds and a player like Radim Vrbata.

Totally different style of play. Totally different. How they score goals is totally different.

All I'm saying is that sometimes, you can have too many guys like Wayne Simmonds and not enough guys like Radim Vrbata.

And I think...we might.
- AllInForFlyers

I did watch the game. And why they didn't score in that game versus last Season, is completely different.

I would not trade Simmonds for Vrbata.

For anyone that was at the game, this isn't true is it?

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
"Steve Bernier" announced as a star by arena announcer in Philly. Hmmmm.
- PLindbergh31

Lou Nolan is getting senile like Homer

Hello All!

Wonderful Friday in Flyersville?

I am suprised to see Voracek on the 3rd line. I understand trying to spread the wealth around a bit. I'm wondering if Lavi noticed the same thing I did. When you have Giroux, Hartnell, and Voracek together they try and play nothing but a cute low percentage play. Though I would rather Voracek play with Vinny on the second line.

Read- Vinny- Jake.... THE JVR Line.
- youarewrong

I don't see that at all, and I doubt Laviolette thinks he sees that either. Simply look at the points that Giroux and Voracek put up playing with each other last Season.
Giroux is guilty of forcing the play at times, but that has zero to do with who his linemates are.

I don't see that at all, and I doubt Laviolette thinks he sees that either. Simply look at the points that Giroux and Voracek put up playing with each other last Season.
Giroux is guilty of forcing the play at times, but that has zero to do with who his linemates are.
- MJL

How many of those points were PP points?

Lou Nolan is getting senile like Homer
- vejim

Holmgren is a monster. Signing guys who already have streets named after them.

To me Voracek is not a player who deserves only 3rd line minutes, he needs to be on one of the top 2 lines getting plenty of ice time.
- Buzzo

Might be a little late to the party, but yeah... this...

You watched the same game I did. They did all those things, and didn't score. They couldn't in the preseason. And as I pointed out last week, plenty of teams are, indeed, scoring.

At some point -- and I'm not necessarily saying this is the point, nor am I necessarily saying any one person is to blame -- but at some point, everyone needs to take a deep breath and acknowledge the difference between a player like Wayne Simmonds and a player like Radim Vrbata.

Totally different style of play. Totally different. How they score goals is totally different.

All I'm saying is that sometimes, you can have too many guys like Wayne Simmonds and not enough guys like Radim Vrbata.

And I think...we might.
- AllInForFlyers

While I respect the point you're making, I really doubt the Flyers have a real shortage of real scoring ability.

IMO, the problem right now is that they're not creating enough second/third-chance opps. They're trying to corner pick, combo pass, and needle thread their way to goals... and as you stated, they don't have enough of those kinds of players to really pull that off consistently.

Lavi's right... they need more pucks on net for starters. If they can't even do that, then they're going to continue to make goalies look great.

We have guys that know how to put the puck in the net. That I am not worried about. All we need if for Schenn and Couturier to take the next step.
- youarewrong

This is one of those statements that statistical analysis says isn't as true as what you think you're seeing.

The Flyers last year, through 48 games, scored 0.86 goals per game at even strength.

That was tied for 25th in the league. The PP made the Flyers offense look a lot better -- not a little better, but a LOT better -- than it was last year.

Seriously. They scored fewer goals at even strength than perennially offensively challenged teams like Nashville (0.91) and Minnesota (0.88).

I'm a fan. I want them to win. But telling myself "this team has plenty of scoring," well...they might not. How long do you have to not score at 5v5 before people acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you can't?

This is one of those statements that statistical analysis says isn't as true as what you think you're seeing.

The Flyers last year, through 48 games, scored 0.86 goals per game at even strength.

That was tied for 25th in the league. The PP made the Flyers offense look a lot better -- not a little better, but a LOT better -- than it was last year.

Seriously. They scored fewer goals at even strength than perennially offensively challenged teams like Nashville (0.91) and Minnesota (0.88).

I'm a fan. I want them to win. But telling myself "this team has plenty of scoring," well...they might not. How long do you have to not score at 5v5 before people acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you can't?
- AllInForFlyers

one calendar year

Holmgren is a monster. Signing guys who already have streets named after them.


- PLindbergh31

still not giving that one up eh?

This is one of those statements that statistical analysis says isn't as true as what you think you're seeing.

The Flyers last year, through 48 games, scored 0.86 goals per game at even strength.

That was tied for 25th in the league. The PP made the Flyers offense look a lot better -- not a little better, but a LOT better -- than it was last year.

Seriously. They scored fewer goals at even strength than perennially offensively challenged teams like Nashville (0.91) and Minnesota (0.88).

I'm a fan. I want them to win. But telling myself "this team has plenty of scoring," well...they might not. How long do you have to not score at 5v5 before people acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you can't?
- AllInForFlyers

That's what happens when you struggle to pass the puck out your own zone and to make it thru the neutral zone thanks to an overly large gap between the forwards and the defensemen, while allowing other teams to waltz into your own zone after the three man forecheck fails to retrieve the puck yet again.

How many of those points were PP points?
- youarewrong

Played together on the PP and at ES, so doesn't matter. Giroux was as guilty trying to force plays on the PP as at ES.

The whole issue to me with the scoring comes down to one thing.

They continously try to be too fancy instead of just crashing the net. Look a Calgary last night, scoring 4 goals in regulation against Washington.

Giroux, for as gifted as he is, is chronically guilty in all of this as much as anyone.

Its also why they struggle so much against the defense first teams. Teams that tend to have players drop down to the goal, and force attacking teams to try and outwork them down low.

This is one of those statements that statistical analysis says isn't as true as what you think you're seeing.

The Flyers last year, through 48 games, scored 0.86 goals per game at even strength.

That was tied for 25th in the league. The PP made the Flyers offense look a lot better -- not a little better, but a LOT better -- than it was last year.

Seriously. They scored fewer goals at even strength than perennially offensively challenged teams like Nashville (0.91) and Minnesota (0.88).

I'm a fan. I want them to win. But telling myself "this team has plenty of scoring," well...they might not. How long do you have to not score at 5v5 before people acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you can't?
- AllInForFlyers

Again, have to look a why they didn't score. The statistics you provided can't tell you that. This team has plenty of offensive talent. They didn't score well at ES for a reason. And it wasn't because they didn't have enough offensive talent. They've already added Lecavalier and Streit to the offensive mix. They have more then enough offensive talent.