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flyer186
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: niagara falls, ON
Joined: 02.05.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:11 AM ET
A young player has to start somewhere. And game 1 was a good start for B Schenn. Give him credit. I agree, I want Voracek on the top line.
- MJL[/quote


don't get me wrong he played well in game 1 and being on the 2nd line with vinny and simmonds isn't that bad , there are some teams in the nhl were that would be their top line....
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Oct 4 @ 8:16 AM ET
Is the entire season on this blog going to be marred with questioning every single thing Lavy does? One game in and it is already beginning. Let's but B. Schenn on the top line and Voracek on the 3rd line, but that sucks according to many of you. I agree that Jake was great on the top line last year, but if you notice the top three lines all have a playmaker/finisher on each one. G with Hartnell, Vinny with Read, and Coots with Jake. Last year it was the system blows and Lavy is a not the right coach for this mix of players. Some people are just never happy
phatpat44
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NS
Joined: 04.18.2010

Oct 4 @ 8:18 AM ET
I'm pretty happy with the lines. Wouldn't mind Voracek and Simmonds switching, but that would compromise the idea of a defensive third line. We vastly outplayed the Leafs for a majority of the game, having 30 more shot attempts than them. I also liked the way the team defence looked. It looked a lot more responsible with fewer risky pinches. I think we will have a pretty solid season if we keep playing like this. For some reason, the Leafs have won a lot of games when being vastly outplayed since the start of last season
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 8:21 AM ET
Is the entire season on this blog going to be marred with questioning every single thing Lavy does? One game in and it is already beginning. Let's but B. Schenn on the top line and Voracek on the 3rd line, but that sucks according to many of you. I agree that Jake was great on the top line last year, but if you notice the top three lines all have a playmaker/finisher on each one. G with Hartnell, Vinny with Read, and Coots with Jake. Last year it was the system blows and Lavy is a not the right coach for this mix of players. Some people are just never happy
- aantny88


People are still concerned that Laviolette isn't the right coach. Like him or not, the fact is that the team has gotten progressively worse each year that he's been the head coach. Like him or not, the fact is that against the Rangers, Devils and Lightning the team has gone 9-23-1 over the past couple seasons. Like him or not, the fact is that teams that forcheck with discipline and trap well have given Laviolette's teams a lot of trouble over the last few years and he seemingly has no answers to correct the problem.

There's plenty of legitimate questions about Laviolette and whether or not he should be the coach of this team. We'd all be happier if that wasn't the case, but it is.

If you want to defend Laviolette, then do it by defending his performance, not by ripping posters who provide factual evidence that shows why they have issues with the coach. Don't just pop in and complain that people are picking on poor Lavi
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:23 AM ET
*snip*

If you want to defend Laviolette, then do it by defending his performance, not by ripping posters who provide factual evidence that shows why they have issues with the coach. Don't just pop in and complain that people are picking on poor Lavi

- Jsaquella


Oops. Sorry.





Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 4 @ 8:24 AM ET
I'm pretty happy with the lines. Wouldn't mind Voracek and Simmonds switching, but that would compromise the idea of a defensive third line. We vastly outplayed the Leafs for a majority of the game, having 30 more shot attempts than them. I also liked the way the team defence looked. It looked a lot more responsible with fewer risky pinches. I think we will have a pretty solid season if we keep playing like this. For some reason, the Leafs have won a lot of games when being vastly outplayed since the start of last season
- phatpat44


My only concern is that, at even strength, the Leafs generated more shots and chances than the Flyers did. A lot of the Flyers' early dominance was helped by the three powerplays in the first period.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:33 AM ET
People are still concerned that Laviolette isn't the right coach. Like him or not, the fact is that the team has gotten progressively worse each year that he's been the head coach. Like him or not, the fact is that against the Rangers, Devils and Lightning the team has gone 9-23-1 over the past couple seasons. Like him or not, the fact is that teams that forcheck with discipline and trap well have given Laviolette's teams a lot of trouble over the last few years and he seemingly has no answers to correct the problem.

There's plenty of legitimate questions about Laviolette and whether or not he should be the coach of this team. We'd all be happier if that wasn't the case, but it is.

If you want to defend Laviolette, then do it by defending his performance, not by ripping posters who provide factual evidence that shows why they have issues with the coach. Don't just pop in and complain that people are picking on poor Lavi

- Jsaquella


Yeah ! It's not like when through a complete roster makeover two seasons ago...
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 4 @ 8:42 AM ET
Seems like a lot of folks are overreacting to the line combos, lets look at some facts:

GMs and players are pretty much never honest when it comes to injuries. Voracek looked a bit slow and hesitant on Wednesday, and may not be 100%

Just because Schenn starts the game on the first line and Voracek on the third, doesn't mean they are going to stay in those spots for the whole first period, let alone an entire game.

Spreading the offense throughout 3 lines can work. Both Detroit and New Jersey have used that method at times and both were very successful with it.

And finally, isn't it just a bit ridiculous to be stressing over line combos one game into an 82 game season??
flyer186
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: niagara falls, ON
Joined: 02.05.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:47 AM ET
lavy works with what he has... in truth we have the most expensive defense core in the entire league, and they are mediocre at best, kimmo is getting older and slowing down but can still hold his own (but for how long) , cobourn, has good days and alot of bad days, grossman is steady consistent but very little offense, luke shenn has an upside can hit but not a franchise corner stone defense man, streit great offensively lacks on the defensive side and is getting older and then their is mezz(who i actually like) has great potential but after the injury's hears foot steps....

homer gave up 2 1st rd picks lupol and sbisa for pronger and since prongers injury has been unable to get a corner stone defense man Lavy does what he can with what he has got... this team needs a stud defense man ... only problem is don't no were or how they can get one
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Oct 4 @ 8:54 AM ET
I Haven't had a chance to see Vinny in a Flyers jersey yet how has he been?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 4 @ 8:54 AM ET
Is head coach Peter Laviolette on the hot seat in Philadelphia?

Dreger - Winning cures all but the Flyers did not play well in the preseason and it drags back to the postseason, where things did not bode well for the Flyers. There is a sense of fear of impending doom for some around the organization and without question Laviolette is in toruble. Some believe that if things don't turn around for the Flyers organization and they don't start winning at the 10-15 game mark that Laviolette will be replaced. And you could perhaps look higher up the food chain too, where you find general manager Paul Holmgren and Ron Hextall. Craig Berube's name has been thrown around as a potential replacement, so he's clearly in the system.
flyer186
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: niagara falls, ON
Joined: 02.05.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:56 AM ET
I Haven't had a chance to see Vinny in a Flyers jersey yet how has he been?
- nbartley9

he played very well in the 1st game set up the flyers only goal with a nice pass right on the tape to schenn on the pp
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 4 @ 8:58 AM ET
I Haven't had a chance to see Vinny in a Flyers jersey yet how has he been?
- nbartley9


I thought he was their best forward the other night.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 4 @ 8:59 AM ET
Is the entire season on this blog going to be marred with questioning every single thing Lavy does? One game in and it is already beginning. Let's but B. Schenn on the top line and Voracek on the 3rd line, but that sucks according to many of you. I agree that Jake was great on the top line last year, but if you notice the top three lines all have a playmaker/finisher on each one. G with Hartnell, Vinny with Read, and Coots with Jake. Last year it was the system blows and Lavy is a not the right coach for this mix of players. Some people are just never happy
- aantny88


There's 2 sides of the puck. The defensive side of things needs to be considered also.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

Oct 4 @ 9:01 AM ET
I thought he was their best forward the other night.
- johndewar

As a Pens fan I'm looking forward to hating him.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 4 @ 9:04 AM ET
Is the entire season on this blog going to be marred with questioning every single thing Lavy does?
- aantny88


I think the questioning of Laviolette will stop within the next five weeks. Then we will start questioning the new coach.
flyer186
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: niagara falls, ON
Joined: 02.05.2007

Oct 4 @ 9:05 AM ET
I think the questioning of Laviolette will stop within the next five weeks. Then we will start questioning the new coach.
- Feanor

BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 4 @ 9:11 AM ET
Back in the day, whenever he was on Howard Stern, it was must listen radio. The shenanigans they put up were amazing to listen to
- Jsaquella


I remember those days, thats when Stern was actually funny!
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Oct 4 @ 9:13 AM ET
People are still concerned that Laviolette isn't the right coach. Like him or not, the fact is that the team has gotten progressively worse each year that he's been the head coach. Like him or not, the fact is that against the Rangers, Devils and Lightning the team has gone 9-23-1 over the past couple seasons. Like him or not, the fact is that teams that forcheck with discipline and trap well have given Laviolette's teams a lot of trouble over the last few years and he seemingly has no answers to correct the problem.

There's plenty of legitimate questions about Laviolette and whether or not he should be the coach of this team. We'd all be happier if that wasn't the case, but it is.

If you want to defend Laviolette, then do it by defending his performance, not by ripping posters who provide factual evidence that shows why they have issues with the coach. Don't just pop in and complain that people are picking on poor Lavi

- Jsaquella


Don't just pop in? I'm sorry that I have more to do with my life than increase my self esteem by making comments on a blog all day long like you do. I didn't realize that armchair coaches like yourself were able to dissect games and provide better solutions than a professional coach that has won a Cup and taken the Flyers to the finals once and the playoffs every year, but last season, amidst a poope load of player turnover in 2011-2012. His record as a Flyers coach is pretty damn good, has lasted longer than most coaches here have and although the "team" has struggled against the Devils, Rangers and Lightning, they have also done rather well against other foes, such as the Penguins. You can't always have it both ways, unless you are running the table in the conference. Sometimes certain teams just match up better against others.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Oct 4 @ 9:17 AM ET
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Shephardbd
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.16.2008

Oct 4 @ 9:22 AM ET
Voracek needs to back on the top line, not only for the good of the Flyers, but for my fantasy team as well.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Oct 4 @ 9:23 AM ET
Don't just pop in? I'm sorry that I have more to do with my life than increase my self esteem by making comments on a blog all day long like you do. I didn't realize that armchair coaches like yourself were able to dissect games and provide better solutions than a professional coach that has won a Cup and taken the Flyers to the finals once and the playoffs every year, but last season, amidst a poope load of player turnover in 2011-2012. His record as a Flyers coach is pretty damn good, has lasted longer than most coaches here have and although the "team" has struggled against the Devils, Rangers and Lightning, they have also done rather well against other foes, such as the Penguins. You can't always have it both ways, unless you are running the table in the conference. Sometimes certain teams just match up better against others.
- aantny88


Look at their record with and without Pronger. My point is there
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 4 @ 9:30 AM ET
Here we go again. Pete won a Cup so lets suspend all criticism. Never mind that he rode a goalie who played out of his mind to that cup and then proceeded to miss the playoffs his next three seasons and was fired because of it.

But no, lets not criticize Carolina Jesus because he won a cup 7 years ago. No No No.

NO!!!!!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 4 @ 9:33 AM ET
Here we go again. Pete won a Cup so lets suspend all criticism. Never mind that he rode a goalie who played out of his mind to that cup and then proceeded to miss the playoffs his next three seasons and was fired because of it.

But no, lets not criticize Carolina Jesus because he won a cup 7 years ago. No No No.

NO!!!!!

- MBFlyerfan


Rod Brind'Amour was a goalie?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 4 @ 9:33 AM ET
Here we go again. Pete won a Cup so lets suspend all criticism. Never mind that he rode a goalie who played out of his mind to that cup and then proceeded to miss the playoffs his next three seasons and was fired because of it.

But no, lets not criticize Carolina Jesus because he won a cup 7 years ago. No No No.

NO!!!!!

- MBFlyerfan


LOL!

"Carolina Jesus".

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