I thought Rosehill skated his shifts well enough last year. But I'm not wild about it either. I guess you hope they throw some checks or something? They're not a unit I deploy to counter a scoring line, and they're not getting anywhere near the opposing net. So really all a fourth line with Rosehill represents is about five minutes of rest, assuming they play their role well.
- BulliesPhan87

My feeling is that I don't think it makes much of a difference either way. Do I want Laughton to get games in so we can get a better look at him? Of course. But I'm not sure Rosehill or Hall individually make or break the success of this team. If so, Flyers have bigger problems to worry about.

The trouble is, that the goons, guys like Orr, Rosehill or Bissonette are not usually the guys who take runs at the other teams good players.

No coach wants to send out Colton Orr against Claude Giroux.

I'm not saying hockey players won;t defend each other. But what you seem to be misunderstanding is that Jay Rosehill fighting John Scott because Patrick Kaleta ran Claude Giroux isn't even remotely close to somebody sticking up for Giroux.
I'm not against fighting. I'm against employing "players" who are only in the league because they can fight.
- Jsaquella

But to the players on the bench it is. And that's all that matters. Someone answers for it. To them it doesnt matter who. I know Goon is a satire movie, but really, the idea behind it, a guy thats job it is to go out and defend his team, while it might not be elegant, is still a beautiful thing to the guys sitting next to him. And if Rosehill fighting Scott makes hartnell feel like he doesnt have to fight Kaleta, then mission accomplished.

Oh my God, it's not even the first period of the first game and we're already having meltdowns.
- KGBflyers10

I still remember Voracek standing up for Giroux and getting the penalty for fighting with a visor

Related question: If a player is penalized for taking off his helmet, and he is also penalized for fighting with a visor, how is someone with a visor supposed to get in a fight?
- JAKEw1234

He isn't. I think that's part of the logic behind the rule.

Or "rock-em, sock-em robots" with that tool Jim Jackson. I can't listen to him, I have to mute the game.
- PLindbergh31

i'm sick of him.

I wasnt refering to a specific example. But to answer your queston, no. It doesnt stop Giroux from getting run at.

But lets say Giroux is run at, but Hartnell and Voracek are held back by the Refs from fighting right away. The idea of sticking up for your team sets in. Someone has to pay for what they did. Whether you agree or not, it is how teammates feel. Now, would you rather it being Rosehill out there fighting, or would you rather Hartnell or Simmonds possibly getting hurt and being off the ice for 5 minutes.
- youarewrong

And if a guy on the opposition is going to take a run at Giroux, or any of the other top players, it isn't going to be just one shift, where they'll get a good hit in and state, well that's good enough for us. It will go on all game. If it's one of their regular's suc as Clarkson, I know he's not playing, just as an example, then let Hartnell or Simmonds take care of it. But if it's a player like Orr running people. Well then you don't want Simmonds or Hartnell dealing with that. You let Rosehill deal with it.

He isn't. I think that's part of the logic behind the rule.
- BulliesPhan87

They're trying to fade out fighting now?

They're trying to fade out fighting now?
- JAKEw1234

Definitely (especially after last night), and it's not a trend that's going to stop. Whether sooner or later, fighting is going to be eliminated from the game at some point.

i'm sick of him.
- hammarby31

Agreed. Time to move on. And can Lou Nolan please retire "Are you ready for some hockey". That is like nails on a chalkboard.

They're trying to fade out fighting now?
- JAKEw1234

They're trying to reduce fight advantages (visors) and concussions (taking off your helmet).

But to the players on the bench it is. And that's all that matters. Someone answers for it. To them it doesnt matter who. I know Goon is a satire movie, but really, the idea behind it, a guy thats job it is to go out and defend his team, while it might not be elegant, is still a beautiful thing to the guys sitting next to him. And if Rosehill fighting Scott makes hartnell feel like he doesnt have to fight Kaleta, then mission accomplished.
- youarewrong

I get the idea behind it, but it's a flawed idea.

Look at the Moore Bertuzzi incident. Moore hits Naslund. He fights Matt Cooke in response to it, and Bertuzzi still feels the need to deliver the cheap shot. It doesn't just end because the two goons on each team fought.

The better option is to let Orr be Orr, and skate away with however many powerplays he gives you. Nothing's stopping him from trying to run players (except them being better skaters than him, which they more than likely are).
- BulliesPhan87

That's not reality. Because players like Simmonds and Hartnell aren't going to let Orr be Orr. Especially Simmonds. Their courage and integrity will not allow that. They will engage him to stand up to him if need be. And you don't want that. That's why you play Rosehill, and let him deal with Orr if need be.

I get the idea behind it, but it's a flawed idea.

Look at the Moore Bertuzzi incident. Moore hits Naslund. He fights Matt Cooke in response to it, and Bertuzzi still feels the need to deliver the cheap shot. It doesn't just end because the two goons on each team fought.
- Jsaquella

I'm just waiting for the silly suggestion that winning a fight swings the game in your favor.

i'm sick of him.
- hammarby31

His grade school verbal banter with Coatesy is nauseating.

That's not reality. Because players like Simmonds and Hartnell aren't going to let Orr be Orr. Especially Simmonds. Their courage and integrity will not allow that. They will engage him to stand up to him if need be. And you don't want that. That's why you play Rosehill, and let him deal with Orr if need be.
- MJL

I think this is an interesting point

And if a guy on the opposition is going to take a run at Giroux, or any of the other top players, it isn't going to be just one shift, where they'll get a good hit in and state, well that's good enough for us. It will go on all game. If it's one of their regular's suc as Clarkson, I know he's not playing, just as an example, then let Hartnell or Simmonds take care of it. But if it's a player like Orr running people. Well then you don't want Simmonds or Hartnell dealing with that. You let Rosehill deal with it.
- MJL

Or, you do what Carcillo did in 2010. You laugh at Orr and skate away while he gets two minutes for roughing, and then score on the ensuing power play.

Because the purpose of the game is to score enough goals to win, not to fight.

Go look at Colton Orr's fightcard on Hockeyfights.com... He has not fought a guy like Hartnell, Simmonds or Clarkson in the last two years. It's all names like Scott, Parros, Thorburn & Rosehill.

I get the idea behind it, but it's a flawed idea.

Look at the Moore Bertuzzi incident. Moore hits Naslund. He fights Matt Cooke in response to it, and Bertuzzi still feels the need to deliver the cheap shot. It doesn't just end because the two goons on each team fought.
- Jsaquella

In the end im just disappointed to see Laughton scratched for Rosehill, despite the reason/logic behind it.

- funmaster18

meltdowns are gonna' melt.

His grade school verbal banter with Coatesy is nauseating.
- 77rams

Agreed. Feels like a couple of guys hanging out watching the game with jones Jackson and coatsey. I do like when Clement is on.

meltdowns are gonna' melt.
- hammarby31

Despite it all, im pumped for the game

OMG.... Datsyuk, Kane, Toews, etc. gonna have the Leaf flu when they play Toronto. They have no one to deal with Orr...

I predict the Wings, and Hawks forfeit their games with Toronto.

Edit: Or maybe they will allow Orr to skate around like a caveman, and then (frank) the Leafs skulls when they are short-handed.

Agreed. Time to move on. And can Lou Nolan please retire "Are you ready for some hockey". That is like nails on a chalkboard.
- PLindbergh31

the whole experience is (frank)ing stale. in-game and at-home. i chose to give up my tix, because i can't stand it for the most part. everything around me annoys the crap out of me and i have no control over it. at least at home, i can turn off the volume, or turn it down, or change the channel.

Or, you do what Carcillo did in 2010. You laugh at Orr and skate away while he gets two minutes for roughing, and then score on the ensuing power play.

Because the purpose of the game is to score enough goals to win, not to fight.

Go look at Colton Orr's fightcard on Hockeyfights.com... He has not fought a guy like Hartnell, Simmonds or Clarkson in the last two years. It's all names like Scott, Parros, Thorburn & Rosehill.
- Jsaquella

Exactly.

And watch the enforcer's minutes disappear.

That's not reality. Because players like Simmonds and Hartnell aren't going to let Orr be Orr. Especially Simmonds. Their courage and integrity will not allow that. They will engage him to stand up to him if need be. And you don't want that. That's why you play Rosehill, and let him deal with Orr if need be.
- MJL

Except it usually is the reality.

Last season Orr fought
Scott, Parros, Thorburn, Neil, Westgarth, Thornton, Engelland, Rupp, Kassian, Rosehill, Boulton and Kaleta.

There's nobody on the same level as Hartnell or Simmonds as players on that list.

Most seasons, the story is the same:

http://www.hockeyfights.c...rs/1483/fightcard/reg2011

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