It bugs me, but Flyers gonna Flyer.

The fun part is, according to twitter, because I'm not pro goon I'm a f**got who doesn't understand the game and wants fighting eliminated completely.
- Jsaquella

This is what twitter was invented for.

I'm glad to see it raised it's level since I stopped frequenting it.

Hell, I enjoy a good fight that's born out of the emotions of the game.

What I hate is two guys that have the hockey skill of your average bartender or locksmith lining up next to one another on a face off, dropping the gloves, banging knuckles off each other's skulls and having some people believe that event somehow keeps a team's star players from getting run at.
- Jsaquella

Excuse me, banging knuckles off each others' helmets.

Depends on your defination of servicable. He plays the game well enough that he isnt a hinderance to his team in addition to what he is meant to do. He is a far better player then Jody Shelly.
- youarewrong

Except he isn't. He's not a good player, at all. If the NHL banned fighting tomorrow, Rosehill would be out of the league faster than Usain Bolt can run 100 meters.

My definition of serviceable means he could play in the NHL without being a fighter. Rosehill wouldn;t be in the NHL if he couldn;t fight

Does it stop Giroux from getting run? No.

That's the whole point. How does fighting Colton Orr equal standing up for your teammate?

Unless Orr is the one that took a run at Giroux, then it's not sticking up for him.

As for the Voracek example, that wasn't the next shift. It was immediately after somebody took a run at Giroux. Rosehill wouldnt have even been on the ice to fight Olesky, because he's not going to be taking shifts with Giroux.
- Jsaquella

I wasnt refering to a specific example. But to answer your queston, no. It doesnt stop Giroux from getting run at.

But lets say Giroux is run at, but Hartnell and Voracek are held back by the Refs from fighting right away. The idea of sticking up for your team sets in. Someone has to pay for what they did. Whether you agree or not, it is how teammates feel. Now, would you rather it being Rosehill out there fighting, or would you rather Hartnell or Simmonds possibly getting hurt and being off the ice for 5 minutes.

Oh my God, it's not even the first period of the first game and we're already having meltdowns.

Except he isn't. He's not a good player, at all. If the NHL banned fighting tomorrow, Rosehill would be out of the league faster than Usain Bolt can run 100 meters.

My definition of serviceable means he could play in the NHL without being a fighter. Rosehill wouldn;t be in the NHL if he couldn;t fight
- Jsaquella

But fighting isn't banned, so as long as its still here, you will have players like Jay Rosehill. Much rather have Jay Rosehill then the Todd Fedoruks, and Jody Shellys. From what I saw last year, Rosehill didn't play that bad.

I wasnt refering to a specific example. But to answer your queston, no. It doesnt stop Giroux from getting run at.

But lets say Giroux is run at, but Hartnell and Voracek are held back by the Refs from fighting right away. The idea of sticking up for your team sets in. Someone has to pay for what they did. Whether you agree or not, it is how teammates feel. Now, would you rather it being Rosehill out there fighting, or would you rather Hartnell or Simmonds possibly getting hurt and being off the ice for 5 minutes.
- youarewrong

Well, let's just say that it's Patrick Kaleta who runs Giroux.

The chances of Kaleta agreeing to fight Rosehill are about 1000 to 1. Which means the more likely outcome is Rosehill attacking Kaleta, Kaleta turtling and the Sabres getting a power play out of the whole mess.

That or John Scott ends up fighting Rosehill, instead of Kaleta, which leaves Kaleta free to continue running guys without even having to fight.

That's why carrying a goon makes no sense. Look at the fight cards of guys like Rosehill, Orr and Parros. They mainly fight other goons, or guys like Travis Moen and Shawn Thornton, who can play a regular shift and fight.

It's extremely rare to see a guy like Hartnell or Simmonds fight a guy like Colton Orr.

Oh my God, it's not even the first period of the first game and we're already having meltdowns.
- KGBflyers10

I'm fine. Couldnt stand Jody Shelly, but Rosehill doesnt bother me.

JAY VEE ARRRRRRRRRR

But fighting isn't banned, so as long as its still here, you will have players like Jay Rosehill. Much rather have Jay Rosehill then the Todd Fedoruks, and Jody Shellys. From what I saw last year, Rosehill didn't play that bad.
- youarewrong

The trouble is, is that Jay Rosehill is almost exactly the same player as Todd Fedoruk or Jody Shelley. He skates better than Shelley, that's the biggest difference.

How did not having a goon hurt Chicago last year? Detroit hasn't carried a goon in years, and they generally manage to be a good team. Boston doesn't carry an out and out goon-Shawn Thornton is a solid 4th liner. Even the Devils are jettisoning their goons.

Oh my God, it's not even the first period of the first game and we're already having meltdowns.
- KGBflyers10

JAY VEE ARRRRRRRRRRR

got 81 problems but a clarkson aint one

Well, let's just say that it's Patrick Kaleta who runs Giroux.

The chances of Kaleta agreeing to fight Rosehill are about 1000 to 1. Which means the more likely outcome is Rosehill attacking Kaleta, Kaleta turtling and the Sabres getting a power play out of the whole mess.

That or John Scott ends up fighting Rosehill, instead of Kaleta, which leaves Kaleta free to continue running guys without even having to fight.

That's why carrying a goon makes no sense. Look at the fight cards of guys like Rosehill, Orr and Parros. They mainly fight other goons, or guys like Travis Moen and Shawn Thornton, who can play a regular shift and fight.

It's extremely rare to see a guy like Hartnell or Simmonds fight a guy like Colton Orr.
- Jsaquella

If its someone smaller like Kaleta, then Rinaldo will take him. That is why you put Rosehill in when you have teams that play big enforcers. You also dont want Rinaldo taking on someone twice his size because he feels he has to.

Just face it. Hockey players are going to defend eachother, with increasing larger hits that get more dangerous for both teams, or with a staged fight that releases most of the tensions. Which one seems less likely to get another star forward hurt?

But overall I think Bill said the other day that they don't have players between 25 and 33, so subtract those 3/4 guys and they are still very young...
- JW98FlyerFan

average age with Pronger is 28. take away pronger its 27.6. take away pronger and Gill its 27.1. Timonen and Streit add a yr to the average age (26.2). they are still a fairly young core....at least up front

JAY VEE ARRRRRRRRRR
- MrBigglesworth

is it bad joojoo if i wear my jersey tonight?

The trouble is, is that Jay Rosehill is almost exactly the same player as Todd Fedoruk or Jody Shelley. He skates better than Shelley, that's the biggest difference.

How did not having a goon hurt Chicago last year? Detroit hasn't carried a goon in years, and they generally manage to be a good team. Boston doesn't carry an out and out goon-Shawn Thornton is a solid 4th liner. Even the Devils are jettisoning their goons.
- Jsaquella

A lot of Blackhawks fans consider Brandon Bollig to be their "goon." Although Bollig does have an ounce of finishing ability near the net

There's still exciting tilts every so often. But a lot of the time, when I see the gloves dropped, it's nothing but tedious.
- BulliesPhan87

even more tedious is having to listen to Coatsey provide his PxP and analysis of the fight on the replay. as if it matters. ugggggghh.

The trouble is, is that Jay Rosehill is almost exactly the same player as Todd Fedoruk or Jody Shelley. He skates better than Shelley, that's the biggest difference.

How did not having a goon hurt Chicago last year? Detroit hasn't carried a goon in years, and they generally manage to be a good team. Boston doesn't carry an out and out goon-Shawn Thornton is a solid 4th liner. Even the Devils are jettisoning their goons.
- Jsaquella

Maybe if Chicago has a goon 2 years ago they would be repeat champs if they could have rallied around after the torres hit.

And Shawn Thornton is my point. I think Rosehill is closer to Thornton then he is to Jody Shelly or Colton Orr. And I think when your Goon can manage to take a regular shift without being a hinderance to your team, that is a good thing. That is why I have no probelm with dressing Rosehill.

Our Goon and out skate, and out play your goon. Might lose the fight, but still....

If its someone smaller like Kaleta, then Rinaldo will take him. That is why you put Rosehill in when you have teams that play big enforcers. You also dont want Rinaldo taking on someone twice his size because he feels he has to.

Just face it. Hockey players are going to defend eachother, with increasing larger hits that get more dangerous for both teams, or with a staged fight that releases most of the tensions. Which one seems less likely to get another star forward hurt?
- youarewrong

The trouble is, that the goons, guys like Orr, Rosehill or Bissonette are not usually the guys who take runs at the other teams good players.

No coach wants to send out Colton Orr against Claude Giroux.

I'm not saying hockey players won;t defend each other. But what you seem to be misunderstanding is that Jay Rosehill fighting John Scott because Patrick Kaleta ran Claude Giroux isn't even remotely close to somebody sticking up for Giroux.

I'm not against fighting. I'm against employing "players" who are only in the league because they can fight.

even more tedious is having to listen to Coatsey provide his PxP and analysis of the fight on the replay. as if it matters. ugggggghh.
- hammarby31

Or "rock-em, sock-em robots" with that tool Jim Jackson. I can't listen to him, I have to mute the game.

The trouble is, is that Jay Rosehill is almost exactly the same player as Todd Fedoruk or Jody Shelley. He skates better than Shelley, that's the biggest difference.

How did not having a goon hurt Chicago last year? Detroit hasn't carried a goon in years, and they generally manage to be a good team. Boston doesn't carry an out and out goon-Shawn Thornton is a solid 4th liner. Even the Devils are jettisoning their goons.
- Jsaquella

I thought Rosehill skated his shifts well enough last year. But I'm not wild about it either. I guess you hope they throw some checks or something? They're not a unit I deploy to counter a scoring line, and they're not getting anywhere near the opposing net. So really all a fourth line with Rosehill represents is about five minutes of rest, assuming they play their role well.

The trouble is, that the goons, guys like Orr, Rosehill or Bissonette are not usually the guys who take runs at the other teams good players.

No coach wants to send out Colton Orr against Claude Giroux.

I'm not saying hockey players won;t defend each other. But what you seem to be misunderstanding is that Jay Rosehill fighting John Scott because Patrick Kaleta ran Claude Giroux isn't even remotely close to somebody sticking up for Giroux.

I'm not against fighting. I'm against employing "players" who are only in the league because they can fight.
- Jsaquella

I still remember Voracek standing up for Giroux and getting the penalty for fighting with a visor

Related question: If a player is penalized for taking off his helmet, and he is also penalized for fighting with a visor, how is someone with a visor supposed to get in a fight?

Joking aside though, I understand not liking goons, but I dont consider Rosehill a true goon. He actually is a serviceable player. Not going to light the world on fire, but isn't going to cripple you. What is the problem with that? He serves his purpose.
- youarewrong

I agree, really don't see what the big deal is. If they're going to play Colton Orr, the Flyers should have Rosehill in the lineup.

Wrong. What it will do is, if Giroux gets run then it wont be up to Scott Hartnell or Wayne Simmonds to go out next shift to stand up for your team-mate. Whether you like it or not, you know it happens. I would rather have Rosehill throwing the punches in Jake Voracek, who feels obligated to fight to stick up for a team-mate.
- youarewrong

But fighting isn't banned, so as long as its still here, you will have players like Jay Rosehill. Much rather have Jay Rosehill then the Todd Fedoruks, and Jody Shellys. From what I saw last year, Rosehill didn't play that bad.
- youarewrong

And until it's banned, there will always be a place for the enforcer.

It's similar to the knock down pitch in baseball. Your pitcher throws at my best hitter's chin, the next inning, your best hitter gets one thrown behind his ear. It's a time honored tradition.

You can only hope that the stripes are intelligent enough to wait for the smoke to clear after the pair of cement heads pound each other and usher them both off with game misconducts plus.

The refs today should be smart enough to realize the climate of the game and give notice to the aggressor by handing him an extra 2/4 minutes in penalties in addition to showing him the exit ramp. Nothing stops an overly rambunctious team like spending a chunk of time on the PK.

I agree, really don't see what the big deal is. If they're going to play Colton Orr, the Flyers should have Rosehill in the lineup.
- MJL

The better option is to let Orr be Orr, and skate away with however many powerplays he gives you. Nothing's stopping him from trying to run players (except them being better skaters than him, which they more than likely are).