I dont see ur owner cutting a kid on ELC to save money when he considers ur team to be Stanley Cup contenders. Just my opinion.
- rangerdanger94

Exactly right. He got cut because he didn't make the team, not because he got paid too much.

Z-bad was simply outplayed at camp, both Da Costa and Pageau were better then him...

The team is likely keeping Da Costa as he would need to be exposed to waivers and don't want to lose him for nothing and may be working on a trade to do so...

mean while Z-Bad can get some ice time in Bingo as to not lose his timing sitting in the press box
- Nimm

Winner-winner chicken dinner.

Not as fun as the Melnyk is Satan take though.

This all makes sense,but there can only be one casino .As much as we love our sens ,the city does,nt begin and end in kanata.

EM calling names to council and holding us hostage, doesnt do much if the federal goverment isnt going to give the city more than one casino ,he should be barking at them

- top shelf 15

I agree, but Eugene has a vested interest in making money, not in municipal or provincial or federal policies. Here's a guy who doesn't hear no often, so he's throwing a tantrum.

It's not surprising that he's fighting the city though, when you think about it, it's exactly what you'd expect him to do. There's no question that Eugene isn't exactly known for his high level of sanity. He's not stupid, he's just borderline insane.

He did, after all, claim he was going to use forensic evidence to prove that Matt Cooke meant to hurt Erik Karlsson. Don't need forensic evidence, he's Matt Cooke. He's only ever hurt people on purpose.

Winner-winner chicken dinner.

Not as fun as the Melnyk is Satan take though.
- Cup 06

We have an a internal budget that is the cap floor .That just screams comittment to winning to me

I agree, but Eugene has a vested interest in making money, not in municipal or provincial or federal policies. Here's a guy who doesn't hear no often, so he's throwing a tantrum.

It's not surprising that he's fighting the city though, when you think about it, it's exactly what you'd expect him to do. There's no question that Eugene isn't exactly known for his high level of sanity. He's not stupid, he's just borderline insane.

He did, after all, claim he was going to use forensic evidence to prove that Matt Cooke meant to hurt Erik Karlsson. Don't need forensic evidence, he's Matt Cooke. He's only ever hurt people on purpose.
- the_terror

Yep its time for MR looney toon to leave

Yep its time for MR looney toon to leave
- top shelf 15

Where would the offseason be without crazy Uncle Eugene?

I think its more of a case of a numbers game. No point carrying 23 and having a young guy not play, sitting in the press box. MZ didnt earn his spot ahead of Pageau or DaCosta. He will be back shortly...someone will be moved out, hurt etc.

I don't see this being fully about Money.
I see it more that he was the cut and instead of sending him to the box, he is going to the BSens (maybe since expected to be more then couple games).

Keeping Da Costa up he is making 825 vs the 925 Zbad would be making.
Likely DaCosta is being showcased and will be moved pretty quick. So keeping Zbad in the box while others are on the ice doesn't change much vs him being down in the BSesn. So yes they save money sending him down, but not really to the detriment of the team (I am assuming/implying that he would be the cut regardless).

Now he has bonuses that could take him up to 1.7 but given his likely return does that really impact likeliness of receiving that? (not sure what bonus details are).

Am I way off on something?
- pomattic

This might make the most sense in trying to understand this surprising move.

They can send Zibanejad down without having to clear waivers. They would have likely lost Da Costa via waivers if they had sent him down.

Now they can showcase Da Costa in a top 6 role and try to get an asset for the organization via a trade rather than just losing him through waivers. Then they call Zibanejad back up where he belongs.

We have an a internal budget that is the cap floor .That just screams comittment to winning to me

- top shelf 15

Cap floor this year is 44 mil. Our cap hit is 55.3. So not really sir. What else should they have spent money on this past off season?

5.75 on Clarkson?

This might make the most sense in trying to understand this surprising move.

They can send Zibanejad down without having to clear waivers. They would have likely lost Da Costa via waivers if they had sent him down.

Now they can showcase Da Costa in a top 6 role and try to get an asset for the organization via a trade rather than just losing him through waivers. Then they call Zibanejad back up where he belongs.
- maaddmike

I think Dacosta gets third line duty.

Milo-Spez-Ryan
MacArthur -Turris-CC
Greening-Dacosta-Condra
Smith-Pageau-Neil

PK Unit

Pageau-Condra
Spezza-Milo
Turris-MacArthur

PP Unit
Spez line
Turris line

Dacosta should get 10-12 minutes but that could go up depending on injuries/performance

Cap floor this year is 44 mil. Our cap hit is 55.3. So not really sir. What else should they have spent money on this past off season?

5.75 on Clarkson?
- Cup 06

Yep ,just under 52 mil in actual dollars .27th in the league so yeah we are spending like a bottom feeder.Maybe not Clarkson but a certain number 11 in the t6 would have been nice

Here's my question.

If this is really all about 'showcasing' DaCosta..

Let's say he plays great and we are able to trade him. What are the Sens, realistically, going to get for him? A 3rd rounder, at BEST?

Murray, himself, said they were hoping to get a 'soft' draft pick for some of our guys that won't make the team.

Is it really worth alienating our 6th overall pick, who projects out to be a top 6 player in the future over a freakin 3rd round pick?

I just can't see Murray being that stupid.

On top of that, is playing DaCosta with any combination of Neil, Greening, Condra, Smith or Kassian really going to 'showcase' him that well?

This reeks of Melnyk.

Here's my question.

If this is really all about 'showcasing' DaCosta..

Let's say he plays great and we are able to trade him. What are the Sens, realistically, going to get for him? A 3rd rounder, at BEST?

Murray, himself, said they were hoping to get a 'soft' draft pick for some of our guys that won't make the team.

Is it really worth alienating our 6th overall pick, who projects out to be a top 6 player in the future over a freakin 3rd round pick?

I just can't see Murray being that stupid.
- Charliebox

What can we do, our owner is broke .He wont be spending any more than he has to on this team,but make sure to buy your season tickets because ,WE ARE ALL IN ALL RED

Shawn Simpson really hates Bobby Ryan....good lord..haha

Shawn Simpson really hates Bobby Ryan....good lord..haha
- TheMike12

Did he run over his dog??

On the positive side - All this means is that Ottawa is a very deep team and has assets to trade if it finds itself to be a legitimate contender by playoff time.

Here's my question.

If this is really all about 'showcasing' DaCosta..

Let's say he plays great and we are able to trade him. What are the Sens, realistically, going to get for him? A 3rd rounder, at BEST?

Murray, himself, said they were hoping to get a 'soft' draft pick for some of our guys that won't make the team.

Is it really worth alienating our 6th overall pick, who projects out to be a top 6 player in the future over a freakin 3rd round pick?

I just can't see Murray being that stupid.

On top of that, is playing DaCosta with any combination of Neil, Greening, Condra, Smith or Kassian really going to 'showcase' him that well?

This reeks of Melnyk.
- Charliebox

I agree with everything except for the last 4 words of your post, and the bold part.

He was hoping to get a soft pick for guys who didn't make the team. Da Costa and Pageau made the team, so I don't think his mind is now on trading one of them. Now, it's about putting the best team on the ice to win games. He got cut cuz he got outplayed in camp AND because he didn't have to clear waivers to go to the AHL.

On the positive side - All this means is that Ottawa is a very deep team and has assets to trade if it finds itself to be a legitimate contender by playoff time.
- AlfieFever

It will have to be money in for money out though,so color me unimpressed

This might make the most sense in trying to understand this surprising move.

They can send Zibanejad down without having to clear waivers. They would have likely lost Da Costa via waivers if they had sent him down.

Now they can showcase Da Costa in a top 6 role and try to get an asset for the organization via a trade rather than just losing him through waivers. Then they call Zibanejad back up where he belongs.
- maaddmike

Yeah, it's a business move, but had Mika torn up preseason this move would not have happened. Basically, he didn't impress enough to force managment to make a different move. That said Da Costa is on thin ice and it won't take much to move Zbad back in.

Not to mention that they are paying JOB his full NHL salary in the minors.

Did financials/contract play a role in this decision, yes. Was it the deciding factor, not even close.

It is asset management>development>rewarding for performance>financials.

Sorry nothing more juicy here.
- Cup 06

Nice to know there was more to it than money.

I was waiting to get your insight, appreciate it!

Here's my question.

If this is really all about 'showcasing' DaCosta..

Let's say he plays great and we are able to trade him. What are the Sens, realistically, going to get for him? A 3rd rounder, at BEST?

Murray, himself, said they were hoping to get a 'soft' draft pick for some of our guys that won't make the team.

Is it really worth alienating our 6th overall pick, who projects out to be a top 6 player in the future over a freakin 3rd round pick?

I just can't see Murray being that stupid.

On top of that, is playing DaCosta with any combination of Neil, Greening, Condra, Smith or Kassian really going to 'showcase' him that well?

This reeks of Melnyk.
- Charliebox

Getting a 3rd round pick vs losing a guy on waivers is huge! Go have a look at the last 7 or 8 drafts and you might be very surprised at some of the players that were picked in the 3rd round or later.

A 3rd round pick is a very valuable asset. Losing a player on waivers is a wasted asset.

Didnt you guys do the same sort of thing with Spezza coming into the league? Seems to have worked out well for his development

I agree with everything except for the last 4 words of your post, and the bold part.

He was hoping to get a soft pick for guys who didn't make the team. Da Costa and Pageau made the team, so I don't think his mind is now on trading one of them. Now, it's about putting the best team on the ice to win games. He got cut cuz he got outplayed in camp AND because he didn't have to clear waivers to go to the AHL.
- the_terror

I don't think anyone expected DaCosta to make the team this season. The only reason he made it is to try to trade him so we don't lose him on waivers.

DaCosta was definitely grouped in with the likes of Obrien and Hoffman when Murray was talking of getting a soft pick.

Either way, DaCosta is the type of guy that a bad team will have in their top 6, but serves no purpose in the bottom 6. If he does stay in the NHL, he'll be a journey man, playing on bottom feeders top 6 while they rebuild.

As I said Zibby projects out to be a great hockey player. If he's down there for any more than a month, he is going to get disgruntled. And I wouldn't blame him.

1. he's shown that he deserves to be in the NHL
2. he's going to making a fraction of his NHL salary

It's not worth pissing off our future top 6 players over a guy that will get you a late draft pick with a next-to-no chance of being an NHL player.

Crazy.

So where's that Sens fan that was trolling the oil boards last year guaranteeing that Jim O'Brien was going to be the next Alfie and was going to be better than all of the Oils young guns???
- Iggysbff

Right here
..But if you couldn't tell that i was trolling..

I agree with everything except for the last 4 words of your post, and the bold part.

He was hoping to get a soft pick for guys who didn't make the team. Da Costa and Pageau made the team, so I don't think his mind is now on trading one of them. Now, it's about putting the best team on the ice to win games. He got cut cuz he got outplayed in camp AND because he didn't have to clear waivers to go to the AHL.
- the_terror

Don't forget Conacher could have been sent down without having to clear wavers as well. Sometimes there is no story behind the story. It is entirely possible that Pageau, Conacher and da Costa simply outplayed Zibanebad. And, as you suggest, the story is exactly what the Senators say it is.