Others get the idea, they just find it (frank)ing moronic to carry a guy on the roster who's only tangible hockey "skill" is something that is illegal under the rules of the sport.

Want a better argument? Why carry a guy who won't dress when the playoff roll around? So he can bang his knuckles off Colton Orr's skull in December.

Yeah, brilliant argument
- Jsaquella

It's your opinion that Rosehill's only tangible hockey "skill" is fighting. I don't share that opinion, and neither do the Flyers. And it's not moronic at all. What I think is moronic is not seeing both sides of the debate.

And yes, you carry the guy to bang his knuckles off of Colton Orr's skull in December. So that another more valuable player doesn't have to do it, and risk injury.

You think it's unneccessary. As I've said many times, I think some points that you make are valid and reasonable. But the reasons for wanting an enforcer are also valid. You may not agree with it. Doesn't make it wrong. Skating away and taking the PP's is not always going to happen.
And when has anyone stated that you need an enforcer to win the Cup? So don't see the relevance there. And if you think it is, then I'll simply counter with the teams that did win the Cup with an Enforcer on the roster.
- MJL

Sure there's teams that won with an enforcer on their roster...most of them didn;t play the goon in the playoffs, or had a guy like Shawn Thornton that could actually play a regular 4th line role, unlike Jay Rosehill, who was in the minors when the Flyers traded for him.

What issues?

Colton Orr isn't going to take a run at Giroux. If things get nasty in the second game, you skate away from Orr, and laugh when he's in the box and score on the power play.

In two years with the Flyers, the only real goon Simmonds has fought has been Stu Bickel. He generally picks and chooses his spots well. Hell, even Carcillo knew that fighting Orr was stupid, and that laughing at him would simply give the Flyers a power play.
- Jsaquella

It doesn't have to be Giroux, it can be any player on your team. And the PP does you a lot of good if a player was injured. If things get nasty, it's not reality that you just skate away. Player like Simmonds aren't going to do that. With the courage and integrity they have, they will stand up for their teammates. You want someone else doing that.

I agree that the actual amount of times that an enforcer is truly needed can be counted on one hand. And is becoming less and less due to a lot of teams not having one. So that's a part of the valid argument against having one. As I've said many times, I think there is merit to that. But I also see why you want to have one if your the Flyers. And why they do.

But you won't see me beating the forum and saying it's moronic not to have an enforcer on the roster, if the Flyers ever go that route. I'll be fine with it. Just like I'm fine with having one.

Sure there's teams that won with an enforcer on their roster...most of them didn;t play the goon in the playoffs, or had a guy like Shawn Thornton that could actually play a regular 4th line role, unlike Jay Rosehill, who was in the minors when the Flyers traded for him.
- Jsaquella

And the Flyers can do the same thing, and not play him in the playoffs. So what's the big deal?

It doesn't have to be Giroux, it can be any player on your team. And the PP does you a lot of good if a player was injured. If things get nasty, it's not reality that you just skate away. Player like Simmonds aren't going to do that. With the courage and integrity they have, they will stand up for their teammates. You want someone else doing that.

I agree that the actual amount of times that an enforcer is truly needed can be counted on one hand. And is becoming less and less due to a lot of teams not having one. So that's a part of the valid argument against having one. As I've said many times, I think there is merit to that. But I also see why you want to have one if your the Flyers. And why they do.

But you won't see me beating the forum and saying it's moronic not to have an enforcer on the roster, if the Flyers ever go that route. I'll be fine with it. Just like I'm fine with having one.
- MJL

What you seem to fail to grasp is, that an enforcer like Orr or Rosehill doesn't stop the initial cheap shot on the star player. If having Rosehill meant that Giroux or Voracek or Hartnell never had to fight or worry about a cheap shot, great, carry him.

But it doesn't.

And if games get nasty, generally an enforcer like Orr won't fight a non-fighter or skill player. Look at Rosehill's fight card-not a single player of Simmonds or Hartnell's caliber. Look at Orr's. Most of his fights are against other team's designated goons, too.

In 13 fights last year, Orr fought John Scott, Chris Thorburn twice, Kevin Westgarth, Rosehill, George Parros, Chris Neill, Shawn Thornton, Mike Rupp, Derek Engelland, Matt Kassian and Eric Boulton and Kaleta.

Not a Simmonds or Hartnell level player in the bunch. Look back at the season before...again, mostly he's fighting other goons or 3rd or 4th liners serving as enforcers. No Hartnells or Simmonds.

And the Flyers can do the same thing, and not play him in the playoffs. So what's the big deal?
- MJL

Why use a contract slot and bankable cap space for a guy who isn't going to play?

Oh, so Colton Orr will have somebody to fight in December and not add to his long(well, nonexistent) history of fighting talented and tough guys

What you seem to fail to grasp is, that an enforcer like Orr or Rosehill doesn't stop the initial cheap shot on the star player. If having Rosehill meant that Giroux or Voracek or Hartnell never had to fight or worry about a cheap shot, great, carry him.

But it doesn't.

And if games get nasty, generally an enforcer like Orr won't fight a non-fighter or skill player. Look at Rosehill's fight card-not a single player of Simmonds or Hartnell's caliber. Look at Orr's. Most of his fights are against other team's designated goons, too.

In 13 fights last year, Orr fought John Scott, Chris Thorburn twice, Kevin Westgarth, Rosehill, George Parros, Chris Neill, Shawn Thornton, Mike Rupp, Derek Engelland, Matt Kassian and Eric Boulton and Kaleta.

Not a Simmonds or Hartnell level player in the bunch. Look back at the season before...again, mostly he's fighting other goons or 3rd or 4th liners serving as enforcers. No Hartnells or Simmonds.
- Jsaquella

That is incorrect Jsaq. We've had this discussion on enforcers many times. And I've said repeatedly in those discussions, that an enforcer doesn't stop or prevent another player from running or cheap shotting a player on your team. So if you're going to tell me what I don't grasp, get your fact straight.

Secondly, having an enforcer is partly about having it if it's needed. A team may go an entire Season without truly needing one. Which is part of the valid argument against having one. But there are also times when having one was neccessary and needed. And the Flyers want to have one in case they feel it is needed. And I see that side of the argument. Hence why I have no problem with Rosehill on the roster.

Why use a contract slot and bankable cap space for a guy who isn't going to play?

Oh, so Colton Orr will have somebody to fight in December and not add to his long(well, nonexistent) history of fighting talented and tough guys
- Jsaquella

I don't know how many times I have to state that I think the side of the argument that you make against having an enforcer, is a valid argument. And I won't tell you that I think you're wrong in your opinion.