The player I've watched is a capable NHL depth player. And the Flyers feel the same. I understand that you're against having an enforcer. I get that and it's a reasonable argument. But if Rosehill couldn't play in the NHL, the Flyers wouldn't have him there.
- MJL

- Jsaquella

Ugh.

Arguing the merits of Jay Rosehill. A 28 year old career minor leaguer. Absolutely hilarious.

I nominate the next topics to be, is grass green? Is the sky blue? Does poop stink?

Yes, he was waived for a reason. Jake Gardiner, Morgan Reilley and Cody Franson, combined with the artificially lowered salary cap makes him expendable to the Maple Leafs.

I see all kinds of teams lining up to take Meszaros
- Jsaquella

In a cap situation at this point in time, the market would be small for any player like Meszaros. Especially with his past injury history. Doesn't change that Meszaros is easily the better player over Liles. As well as only having one year left on his deal. Versus 3 for Liles. Liles was waived in part because his game is deteriorating.

I agree that you don't need an offensive game to skate on the 4th line.

But there are plenty of guys who aren't as terrible at hockey as Jay Rosehill and can also bring an energetic, hard forechecking shift to the Flyers. That's not why he's there. The Flyers, like many teams who haven't won championships of late, feel the need to waste resources on a heavyweight.
- bradleyc4

That's why he's the 13th forward. He's there "in case sh!t." He's not going to play every game, unless there's a serious issue, in which case the season is most likely lost anyway. He'll never play above the 4th line even when he does play. His effect on the game will be minimal for or against the Flyers, which is fine for a 4th line player.

Arguing the merits of Jay Rosehill. A 28 year old career minor leaguer. Absolutely hilarious.

I nominate the next topics to be, is grass green? Is the sky blue? Does poop stink?
- PLindbergh31

Well why do you continually bring it up then? Just like continually bringing up Shelley in the past.

That's why he's the 13th forward. He's there "in case sh!t." He's not going to play every game, unless there's a serious issue, in which case the season is most likely lost anyway. He'll never play above the 4th line even when he does play. His effect on the game will be minimal for or against the Flyers, which is fine for a 4th line player.
- jmatchett383

In a cap situation at this point in time, the market would be small for any player like Meszaros. Especially with his past injury history. Doesn't change that Meszaros is easily the better player over Liles. As well as only having one year left on his deal. Versus 3 for Liles. Liles was waived in part because his game is deteriorating.
- MJL

Liles was waived mainly because three guys surpassed him and the Leafs can't afford a 7th defenseman with his cap hit.

Yes, his contract is a bad one. But we're going to seriously debate whether Liles game has deteriorated and ignore Meszaros' decline?

That's why he's the 13th forward. He's there "in case sh!t." He's not going to play every game, unless there's a serious issue, in which case the season is most likely lost anyway. He'll never play above the 4th line even when he does play. His effect on the game will be minimal for or against the Flyers, which is fine for a 4th line player.
- jmatchett383

The amount of minutes he would play would diminish the overall effect on the game, but he's REALLY, REALLY bad.

The point of the 4th line is to bring energy, give the top 9 a breather and not let the opposition score. The latter part is what scares me with Rinaldo and Rosehill out there. They are routinely out-chanced by a lot, and that eventually leads to goals against.

The amount of minutes he would play would diminish the overall affect on the game, but he's REALLY, REALLY bad.

The point of the 4th line is to bring energy, give the top 9 a breather and not let the opposition score. The latter part is what scares me with Rinaldo and Rosehill out there. They are routinely out-chanced by a lot, and that eventually leads to goals against.
- bradleyc4

He's not even really a 4th liner. A true 4th liner is out there playing every 6th shift or so. Rosehill is kind of the spare part. He'll skate a few shifts in rotation with the 4th line early on, but as the game rolls on, the 4th line and 3rd line will blend a little bit and Rosehill won't be out there. It doesn't matter if it's Rosehill or Rinaldo or McGinn or Nodl or whoever, the low man on the totem pole is always going to get reduced minutes. Otherwise, the entire "4th line" would all have exactly the same amount of TOI.

Really, if this season is determined whether or not Jay Rosehill plays 6 minutes a night for 1/4 of the season, we have much bigger issues.

Liles was waived mainly because three guys surpassed him and the Leafs can't afford a 7th defenseman with his cap hit.

Yes, his contract is a bad one. But we're going to seriously debate whether Liles game has deteriorated and ignore Meszaros' decline?
- Jsaquella

In his prime the 3 guys wouldn't have passed him. The only reason why Meszaros game is not up to speed, is because of injury. If he's healthy, there's no reason why he can't get back to his previous level of play. He's 28. Liles is just plain losing it. But nothing is a guarantee, so if Meszaros continues to struggle, there is little risk with him being in the last year of his deal. With Liles having 3 years left, there is a lot more risk. And a GM would be insane to take that on at this point.

The amount of minutes he would play would diminish the overall effect on the game, but he's REALLY, REALLY bad.

The point of the 4th line is to bring energy, give the top 9 a breather and not let the opposition score. The latter part is what scares me with Rinaldo and Rosehill out there. They are routinely out-chanced by a lot, and that eventually leads to goals against.
- bradleyc4

He's not really, really bad. This is the same discussion as the Rinaldo discussion. Misusing Advanced stats when looking at a 4th line player.

That's why he's the 13th forward. He's there "in case sh!t." He's not going to play every game, unless there's a serious issue, in which case the season is most likely lost anyway. He'll never play above the 4th line even when he does play. His effect on the game will be minimal for or against the Flyers, which is fine for a 4th line player.
- jmatchett383

Why not have a better player as the "in case sh!t" player. David Steckel, for instance. Or a veteran like Jay Pandolfo or Jamie Langenbrunner who could be used as a faceoff specialist or PK guy in case of injury?

Arguing the merits of Jay Rosehill. A 28 year old career minor leaguer. Absolutely hilarious.

I nominate the next topics to be, is grass green? Is the sky blue? Does poop stink?
- PLindbergh31

This is what happens when Bill waits til mid morning to post a blog. People get bored lol

He's not even really a 4th liner. A true 4th liner is out there playing every 6th shift or so. Rosehill is kind of the spare part. He'll skate a few shifts in rotation with the 4th line early on, but as the game rolls on, the 4th line and 3rd line will blend a little bit and Rosehill won't be out there. It doesn't matter if it's Rosehill or Rinaldo or McGinn or Nodl or whoever, the low man on the totem pole is always going to get reduced minutes. Otherwise, the entire "4th line" would all have exactly the same amount of TOI.

Really, if this season is determined whether or not Jay Rosehill plays 6 minutes a night for 1/4 of the season, we have much bigger issues.
- jmatchett383

You bring up fair points. And I think everyone would agree there are much larger issues with the Flyers than Jay Rosehill. I think those who are opposed to him being on the team do not want to see resources wasted on a player like him. Fans want to see the Flyers get away from their archaic thinking. It's not 1974 anymore. There is zero need for an enforcer. They enforce nothing. Someone like Kaleta, or Cook runs Giroux, the presence of Rosehill doesn't prevent it. All that can be done is to send him out there to try and fight a guy who won't fight him.

That's why he's the 13th forward. He's there "in case sh!t." He's not going to play every game, unless there's a serious issue, in which case the season is most likely lost anyway. He'll never play above the 4th line even when he does play. His effect on the game will be minimal for or against the Flyers, which is fine for a 4th line player.
- jmatchett383

At least he's cheaper than Shelley! Also, should be interesting to see how Detroit handles playing a team like Toronto several more times a year without an enforcer as they have in the past. Take a run at Datsyuk, score 5 pp goals while Orr is in the box.

Why not have a better player as the "in case sh!t" player. David Steckel, for instance. Or a veteran like Jay Pandolfo or Jamie Langenbrunner who could be used as a faceoff specialist or PK guy in case of injury?
- Jsaquella

Pandolfo played 18 games last year, was waived is currently out of the League. langenbrunner missed most of the Season with hip surgery, and is 38. And neither would fare too well in a fight with Colton Orr.

He's not really, really bad. This is the same discussion as the Rinaldo discussion. Misusing Advanced stats when looking at a 4th line player.
- MJL

He's really bad. Sorry he passes your eye test. I know a good eye doctor.

Guys like Arron Asham are great 4th liners because, even though they're not big NHL scorers, they were once really good at hockey.

Guys like Rinaldo and Rosehill were never good at hockey. They were good at bringing energy and being fearless. And to me, that's just not good enough at this level (and it shows).

You bring up fair points. And I think everyone would agree there are much larger issues with the Flyers than Jay Rosehill. I think those who are opposed to him being on the team do not want to see resources wasted on a player like him. Fans want to see the Flyers get away from their archaic thinking. It's not 1974 anymore. There is zero need for an enforcer. They enforce nothing. Someone like Kaleta, or Cook runs Giroux, the presence of Rosehill doesn't prevent it. All that can be done is to send him out there to try and fight a guy who won't fight him.
- PLindbergh31

The reasons for not wanting an Enforcer is a valid argument. Some teams feel that way. The argument for having an enforcer is also valid. The Flyers feel that way. No right or wrong, jsut different philosophies. I have no idea why it is continually such a big deal that the Flyers like to have that type of player on the roster.

He's really bad. Sorry he passes your eye test. I know a good eye doctor.

Guys like Arron Asham are great 4th liners because, even though they're not big NHL scorers, they were once really good at hockey.

Guys like Rinaldo and Rosehill were never good at hockey. They were good at bringing energy and being fearless. And to me, that's just not good enough at this level (and it shows).
- bradleyc4

If you have to get personal, that says everything about your argument. Rinaldo is good at Hockey, and Rosehill is adequate as the 13th forward. And I have the same level of vision as Paul Holmgren.

If you have to get personal, that says everything about your argument. Rinaldo is good at Hockey, and Rosehill is adequate as the 13th forward. And I have the same level of vision as Paul Holmgren.
- MJL

@ getting personal

Pandolfo played 18 games last year, was waived is currently out of the League. langenbrunner missed most of the Season with hip surgery, and is 38. And neither would fare too well in a fight with Colton Orr.
- MJL

Why in the name of Jesus would anybody fight Colton (frank)ing Orr? If he wants to fight, just skate away or simply turtle and enjoy the free power play.

Honestly, that is probably the most meaningless argument you could have made.

Why not have a better player as the "in case sh!t" player. David Steckel, for instance. Or a veteran like Jay Pandolfo or Jamie Langenbrunner who could be used as a faceoff specialist or PK guy in case of injury?
- Jsaquella

I would prefer Steckel. However, he wasn't made available until a few days ago. Rosehill was resigned (wisely or unwisely) before he or Pandolfo were available. He's also possibly cheaper than them, and can be waived and "buried" if need be. No real interest in Langenbrunner.

You bring up fair points. And I think everyone would agree there are much larger issues with the Flyers than Jay Rosehill. I think those who are opposed to him being on the team do not want to see resources wasted on a player like him. Fans want to see the Flyers get away from their archaic thinking. It's not 1974 anymore. There is zero need for an enforcer. They enforce nothing. Someone like Kaleta, or Cook runs Giroux, the presence of Rosehill doesn't prevent it. All that can be done is to send him out there to try and fight a guy who won't fight him.
- PLindbergh31

Bingo.

You bring up fair points. And I think everyone would agree there are much larger issues with the Flyers than Jay Rosehill. I think those who are opposed to him being on the team do not want to see resources wasted on a player like him. Fans want to see the Flyers get away from their archaic thinking. It's not 1974 anymore. There is zero need for an enforcer. They enforce nothing. Someone like Kaleta, or Cook runs Giroux, the presence of Rosehill doesn't prevent it. All that can be done is to send him out there to try and fight a guy who won't fight him.
- PLindbergh31

I think Rosehill's there for the next time they play the guy that ran Giroux.
Say a guy runs Giroux and he's out for the season. Flyers get a 5-minute PP and score twice. Without Giroux out, maybe not at all.

However, if that team knows that its star player is going to get run by Rosehill next time they play, then maybe it puts a little bit of restraint on them. Maybe, maybe not. It's better than just going, "Oh man...that sucks."

Again, he's the 13th forward. The reserve. He's not a 4th liner. He won't play in the playoffs. He will play sparingly if at all.

Edit: Personally, I'm not a big fan, as as I said, there are a few players out there I'd tale over him. They weren't available when Rosehill got resigned. But really, in the end, this point is so minimal that I'm ashamed I'm discussing it. Hockeybuzz FTW.