I'm not directing this at you but previous posters....


It's always the flavour of the month with Canucks fans. He's suspended and not playing, therefor, makes him a third liner. Nothing is linear. Quit dealing in absolutes. When he plays with the twins, and scores goals, he's a force. To me, he's somwhere inbetween. A guy that can play up on the first line to provide some grit, puck possession, net front presence, finishing and playmaking ability, while also playing on the second and third lines, depending on personel and chemistry. It's embarrassing for people to be okay with him being a third liner in his prime, which would be a complete bust of epic proportions, considering he was one of if not THE most dominate players in the AHL at the age of 21, and with his tools. He's still developing and imo has improved. He just needs to focus more. The f8cking seaosn hasn't even begun yet. Give him at least 15 games to see where he's at compared to last year. He'll be with the Twins when he's back, and anyone who says otherwise are just pessimists, though you'll claim to be realists. It's a fact that he with the twins provides better depth throughout the lineup.
- Boinker

Are you referring to his 8 goals in 29 games as being "the most dominant player in the AHL"?
Burrows and the Sedins work well. Why break up a good thing? Of course he could put up decent numbers with the Sedins. So could a bag of sand. Anyone who plays with them sees their numbers get bumped.
He's a big body who is still learning how to use it to his advantage. I'd like for him to get some minutes with the Sedins, but to expect him to have solidified a spot on the top line is a little premature.

Santorelli?

They probably send down Hunter I think when Kas comes back.
- boonerbuck

Nah, Booths gonna be injured by the time Kassian comes back...thats nearly a guarantee

post trade 2011/12

Samuelsson 54gp 13g 15a 6 ppg 74 hits *5 playoff points*
Sturm 42gp 3g 2a 46 hits

= 16g 18a 120 hits 5 playoff points

Booth 56gp 16g 13a 3 ppg 69 hits 1 playoff point

= 16g 13a 3 ppg 69 hits 1 playoff point

Both players left Florida so theres no comparing after that. Besides, Booth has been mostly injured since then.

I do get attacked by people for pointing this stuff out,,,, true. It says more about those people.



- boonerbuck

To be fair, your comparing 2 players combined production to one(an extra 40 man games).

Are you referring to his 8 goals in 29 games as being "the most dominant player in the AHL"?
Burrows and the Sedins work well. Why break up a good thing? Of course he could put up decent numbers with the Sedins. So could a bag of sand. Anyone who plays with them sees their numbers get bumped.
He's a big body who is still learning how to use it to his advantage. I'd like for him to get some minutes with the Sedins, but to expect him to have solidified a spot on the top line is a little premature.
- hankthetank

I agree about Burrows and the twins but Burrows isn't an enforcer, as much as I like him, he's not going to protect the twins from people taking liberties on them, whether they get hurt or not, liberties have been taken with them over the past few seasons...Kassian could potentially change that...the guys a psycho when he gets pissed off...as Torts first said when he came to the Canucks, the Canucks have been too easy to play against...they put up points but theres been very little sand paper and grit to the line up...Kassian can potentially be exactly that...

Also do not forget the effective pair that Kesler and Burrows were before the Sedins/Burrows experiment was tried...they are a very effective shut down line...and considering you could put practically anyone with the twins, including kassian, why wouldnt you want to have a more balanced line up? the bottom 6 right now is much to be desired so I personally think it would be best to even out the top 6 as best as they can...and maybe put Shinkaruk with Burrows and Kesler to give him some useful players to play with...If I were the Canucks, if Booth doesn't produce by the time Kassian is back, I'd put him on waivers and bury him in the minors if no one picks his useless ass up, its a shame that he's always injured because he could be an effective top 6 forward if not for the injuries...

If I had my way I would like to see the line up as follows *when everyones off suspension*

Sedin/Sedin/Kassian
Burrows/Kesler/Shinkaruk
Higgins/Richardson/Jensen
Booth/Dalpe/Weise (and santorelli on other nights too)

Are you referring to his 8 goals in 29 games as being "the most dominant player in the AHL"?
Burrows and the Sedins work well. Why break up a good thing? Of course he could put up decent numbers with the Sedins. So could a bag of sand. Anyone who plays with them sees their numbers get bumped.
He's a big body who is still learning how to use it to his advantage. I'd like for him to get some minutes with the Sedins, but to expect him to have solidified a spot on the top line is a little premature.
- hankthetank

Agreed completely, it should be Burrows spot to lose.

post trade 2011/12

Samuelsson 54gp 13g 15a 6 ppg 74 hits *5 playoff points*
Sturm 42gp 3g 2a 46 hits

= 16g 18a 120 hits 5 playoff points

Booth 56gp 16g 13a 3 ppg 69 hits 1 playoff point

= 16g 13a 3 ppg 69 hits 1 playoff point

Both players left Florida so theres no comparing after that. Besides, Booth has been mostly injured since then.

I do get attacked by people for pointing this stuff out,,,, true. It says more about those people.



- boonerbuck

How again did they contribute more. Sammy and booths numbers are practically identical. You bring this "attacking" on yourself for trying to make things out to be worse then they are

Quite a good run of bad luck eh? My divorce has fortunately left me with full custody of the children, which at their ages unfortunately leaves me no free time, I have to live vicariously through friend's fishing, huntin & rodeo stories. But if you wanna buy a truck I got one fore sale
- I-own_da-Northwest

What do you have for sale?

To be fair, your comparing 2 players combined production to one(an extra 40 man games).
- Nucker101

Exactly. Throw in another full time player who got top 9 minutes. Sammy and booths numbers is practically identical

How again did they contribute more. Sammy and booths numbers are practically identical. You bring this "attacking" on yourself for trying to make things out to be worse then they are
- Bieksa#3

The Panthers got more production no matter which way someone tries to spin it,,, how ever little it was. I actually never said anything about the players individually producing more but it could easily be argued that with Samuelssons playoff numbers and production in less games that he produced more. Still, you are arguing with something not said here...

I never exaggerated anything, re-read please. You seem to think I have. In fact, you are going on about these attacks because I didnt put effort into downplaying it. What I stated was simple and it seems to have struck a nerve for some reason.

I agree about Burrows and the twins but Burrows isn't an enforcer, as much as I like him, he's not going to protect the twins from people taking liberties on them, whether they get hurt or not, liberties have been taken with them over the past few seasons...Kassian could potentially change that...the guys a psycho when he gets pissed off...as Torts first said when he came to the Canucks, the Canucks have been too easy to play against...they put up points but theres been very little sand paper and grit to the line up...Kassian can potentially be exactly that...

Also do not forget the effective pair that Kesler and Burrows were before the Sedins/Burrows experiment was tried...they are a very effective shut down line...and considering you could put practically anyone with the twins, including kassian, why wouldnt you want to have a more balanced line up? the bottom 6 right now is much to be desired so I personally think it would be best to even out the top 6 as best as they can...and maybe put Shinkaruk with Burrows and Kesler to give him some useful players to play with...If I were the Canucks, if Booth doesn't produce by the time Kassian is back, I'd put him on waivers and bury him in the minors if no one picks his useless ass up, its a shame that he's always injured because he could be an effective top 6 forward if not for the injuries...

If I had my way I would like to see the line up as follows *when everyones off suspension*

Sedin/Sedin/Kassian
Burrows/Kesler/Shinkaruk
Higgins/Richardson/Jensen
Booth/Dalpe/Weise (and santorelli on other nights too)
- annoyance_101

Why again is Jensen in the line up?

I don't buy it. The defense has played solid, but I don't trust Locker.
- Nucker101

Do your dates complain ? You don't buy anything

Cheap bastard

To be fair, your comparing 2 players combined production to one(an extra 40 man games).
- Nucker101

It is fair because the trade was those 2 players for Booth was it not? All I am saying is they traded away a hand grenade of a contract and the bonus was getting a little more production. This seems fair to me and is no reason to be attacked like Bieksa3 is saying...wow.

Booth, Samuelsson and Sturm all off their books the following season. Im sure this is exactly what they wanted and got.... Florida can boast successful trade. Gillis waits as do we.

Why again is Jensen in the line up?
- Bieksa#3

whoops LOL I definitely meant Hansen

Why again is Jensen in the line up?
- Bieksa#3

I can't see Booth playing the 4 th line. Gillis would get raked over the coals as a horrible deal .

Florida struck a home run simply by getting rid of his contract. Getting players that contributed more was the gravy.

- boonerbuck

Getting players that actually contributed more is gravy- is your quote. Like I said you have to add a full time top 9 player. Only an idiot compares the production of 2 players to one.
For example -If Pitts traded Crosby to the leafs for 2 players who conbine to score one more point dispite the fact that they make more money combined then Crosby. Does that mean Pitts lost the deal? Your hate rational is always evident isn't it?

It is fair because the trade was those 2 players for Booth was it not? All I am saying is they traded away a hand grenade of a contract and the bonus was getting a little more production. This seems fair to me and is no reason to be attacked like Bieksa3 is saying...wow.

Booth, Samuelsson and Sturm all off their books the following season. Im sure this is exactly what they wanted and got.... Florida can boast successful trade. Gillis waits as do we.
- boonerbuck

How long do we need to wait?

I can't see Booth playing the 4 th line. Gillis would get raked over the coals as a horrible deal .
- VANTEL

I get the feeling that they are going to try and play Santorelli and Booth together as long as possible to see if they can get the chemistry they had in Florida brewing again.

Once Kassian gets off suspension, I think this is the line up that Torts is going to try to see if he can get the balance that he is hoping for:

Sedins Kassian
Higgins Kesler Burrows
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Richardson Dalpe Weise (Sestito: depending on the opponent)

I get the feeling that they are going to try and play Santorelli and Booth together as long as possible to see if they can get the chemistry they had in Florida brewing again.

Once Kassian gets off suspension, I think this is the line up that Torts is going to try to see if he can get the balance that he is hoping for:

Sedins Kassian
Higgins Kesler Burrows
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Richardson Dalpe Weise (Sestito: depending on the opponent)
- Chest Rockwell

Could be . need to see how it plays out but it very well could be close to this.

Comets won today 4-2

Getting players that actually contributed more is gravy- is your quote. Like I said you have to add a full time top 9 player. Only an idiot compares the production of 2 players to one.
For example -If Pitts traded Crosby to the leafs for 2 players who conbine to score one more point dispite the fact that they make more money combined then Crosby. Does that mean Pitts lost the deal? Your hate rational is always evident isn't it?
- Bieksa#3

Hate?


Attacks?

Idiot?

Anyone who can read see you are stretching what I'm saying to supply you with an argument. Your the one using the language which looks a little full of rage or hate anyways.

I stand by what my meaning was all along. They rid themselves of all those contracts and getting more production in return, regardless if it took both players coming back to combine for it is the bonus. Totally reasonable.

I'll use your own reasoning here and ask you if players involved in a multiple for one trade dont all out produce the one individual, then is it a fail? Its unfair to combine their contribution? Why do teams make multiple for one trades if the math is pointless? I dont understand this reasoning at all. If you want to accuse me of splitting hairs on the production, fine.... thats why I called it gravy.... a little extra.... chill out.

I can't see Booth playing the 4 th line. Gillis would get raked over the coals as a horrible deal .
- VANTEL

Oh right, because in the eyes of Canucks fans, he's got a good rep right now, I forgot

I get the feeling that they are going to try and play Santorelli and Booth together as long as possible to see if they can get the chemistry they had in Florida brewing again.

Once Kassian gets off suspension, I think this is the line up that Torts is going to try to see if he can get the balance that he is hoping for:

Sedins Kassian
Higgins Kesler Burrows
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Richardson Dalpe Weise (Sestito: depending on the opponent)
- Chest Rockwell

Thats almost exactly as I see it...I think Booths future may depend on how Shinkaruk plays in the next 9 games

In fact I think your lines are even better than what I had originally said

Oh right, because in the eyes of Canucks fans, he's got a good rep right now, I forgot
- annoyance_101

Everyone loves Gillis

Everyone loves Gillis
- VANTEL

ESPECIALLY LUONGO

ESPECIALLY Nonis
- annoyance_101

no nuts practically has fumes coming out of his ears when someone mentions gilles