Gillis may do something stupid. History tells us its more than likely but I prefer to be an optimist with Gillis and hope he learns from his mistakes. (unlike over half of the other GM's in the league) Big term and big money contracts have just been stupid league wide even with the new cap and rules GM's are being idiots. The dollars don't make sense.
- thundachunk

I don't share the optimism. I think he is going to screw this franchise in about 3 years more than he is right now.

Hey, I was thinking about your comment from the end of the last blog about 4th liners, and I think the problem is that the Canucks have a penchants for taking other teams "good" 4th liners and turning them into average 3rd liners. The same can be said for players who would be excellent in a 3rd line role playing on the 2nd and so on. Imagine if the 4th line was Higgins/Richardson/Hansen? Pretty f'ing good right? Your 3rd line is Booth/Santorelli/not sure, 2nd line is Shinkaruk/Kesler/Burrows and the top line is Sedins/Kassian.

But, inevitably, Higgins and/or Hansen will be playing up in the top 6 and we'll have Sestito and Weise playing on the 4th line with Richardson, the Kings part time 4th liner playing as the 3rd line C.
- 1970vintage

Good point

First of all I don't know why they would get the same salary. Secondly I don't know why they get raises on declining production.

IMO Henrik should be 6.5,6.0 ,5.5.5.5

Daniel 5.5 5.5,5.0 optional 5.0
- VANTEL

They'd get raises because the contract they signed 5 years ago ended up being below market value for their production. Taking a pay cut when you have exceeded your quotas on your previous deal might be noble, but it shouldn't be expected.

They'd get raises because the contract they signed 5 years ago ended up being below market value for their production. Taking a pay cut when you have exceeded your quotas on your previous deal might be noble, but it shouldn't be expected.
- micah555

Bull crap. They got a 12 mil contract , that is a pretty hefty price. They want to be a 2 for 1 deal then they need to accommodate.

You will be tying up 1/3 of your cap on 4 guys on the wrong side of 33 for years

Bull crap. They got a 12 mil contract , that is a pretty hefty price. They want to be a 2 for 1 deal then they need to accommodate.

You will be tying up 1/3 of your cap on 4 guys on the wrong side of 33 for years
- VANTEL

Four guys? Daniel Henrik Burrows ??

Four guys? Daniel Henrik ? ?
- LeftCoaster

Burrows Luongo Sedins will eat up one third of the cap and all be over 33 next year

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/hockey/vancouver-canucks/Canucks+first+round+draft+picks+through/8969416/story.html


- LeftCoaster

Patrick White and Nathan Smith are the only busts in 15 years, I think that's a pretty good record. Just because the reigning GM's traded away a player doesn't mean that the draft record is that bad.

Burrows Luongo Sedins will eat up one third of the cap and all be over 33 next year
- VANTEL

Forgot about Lu

Patrick White and Nathan Smith are the only busts in 15 years, I think that's a pretty good record. Just because the reigning GM's traded away a player doesn't mean that the draft record is that bad.
- 1970vintage

I was thinking more along the lines that only a few of them actually play for the Canucks.

First of all I don't know why they would get the same salary. Secondly I don't know why they get raises on declining production.

IMO Henrik should be 6.5,6.0 ,5.5.5.5

Daniel 5.5 5.5,5.0 optional 5.0
- VANTEL

Its not a raise based on declining production, their production isn't actually declining, that's a myth. Its a raise based on the market and what a PPG player is paid. But I wouldn't go 4 years for that amount. I think they will be worth the "rumoured" $7.5 for two more years. Re-evaluate in two years and see where the players and the market it.

I was thinking more along the lines that only a few of them actually play for the Canucks.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah, that sucks, so not a bad job of scouting, but terrible patience by the GM's.

EDIT - at least in the first round. not much to show after that.

Burrows salary is 6 - 5 - 4 - 3 .... I didn't know that.

Forgot about Lu
- LeftCoaster

I think Hank is still a 6 mil player but I think Danny is somewhere around Keslers salary

I think Hank is still a 6 mil player but I think Danny is somewhere around Keslers salary
- VANTEL

There's such a wide range in salaries with guys who produce 70 to 80 points. He probably falls in the 5.5 to 6.5 million dollar range depending on the cap number.

Yeah, that sucks, so not a bad job of scouting, but terrible patience by the GM's.

EDIT - at least in the first round. not much to show after that.
- 1970vintage

Ya their later round picks have not been great. Other than Bieksa, Edler and a few others they've swung and missed a lot!!!

Its not a raise based on declining production, their production isn't actually declining, that's a myth. Its a raise based on the market and what a PPG player is paid. But I wouldn't go 4 years for that amount. I think they will be worth the "rumoured" $7.5 for two more years. Re-evaluate in two years and see where the players and the market it.
- 1970vintage

Daniel is not a 7.5 mil player. Any gm that gives him that should be fired at the signing

Daniel is not a 7.5 mil player. Any gm that gives him that should be fired at the signing
- VANTEL

Are Getzlaf and Perry $7.5m players? Because D. Sedin is right there with them performance wise.

Are Getzlaf and Perry $7.5m players? Because D. Sedin is right there with them performance wise.
- 1970vintage

Any one who knew what a hockey stick was would take Getz or perry 100 times out of 100 over Daniel

Daniels goal production will decrease and he brings 0 toughness like those twomentioned

So, noticed Todd blogs for NJ as well? So what we have here is a part time blogger only on this site?

Well....what the hell?

I agree that any contract for more than 3 or 4 years could end up hurting this team quite a bit, unless it's arranged someway like Vintage pointed out to save the team cap space(even saving 500K for each of them would be nice) and frontload the contract as much as allowed under the new CBA. And with an "understanding" that they're likely not going to play out the whole contract. The current CBA doesn't expire for another 9 or 10 years so this time Gillis won't have to worry about getting screwed by making a deal like this.

If anyone cares and feels like they want to argue with someone for their ideas/suggestions, here's my latest blog on my opening day lineup. Feel free to comment on it and rip me for my lineup.


http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...r_id=103557&post_id=15607

As I pointed out above in my blog, Daniel is due for a bounceback season goal-scoring-wise, however if his shootng % is still a decent amount below his career averages then we should definitely be worried about a Sedin decline since Danny is always the trigger man between the two. However, they're possession numbers were still right in line with their career norms, and the 48 game season does give a little more validity to the argument that they suffered a bit from bad puck luck(which has happened to other star players before, usually in seasons where they didn't play all 82 games because of a lockout or injury, and more often than not they usually bounceback the next year).

Any one who knew what a hockey stick was would take Getz or perry 100 times out of 100 over Daniel

Daniels goal production will decrease and he brings 0 toughness like those twomentioned
- VANTEL

I didn't say that given a choice a GM would chose one over the other, I'm talking about what a 70-80 point player costs in today's NHL, which is around $7.5m.

Just because you think the Sedins are soft doesn't mean they aren't worth the money that the market dictates. Plus, WTF do you care how much they are paid if the GM makes the cap work? If the choices are pay the Sedins $7.5m or let them walk there is really only one choice because without the twins there won't be any primary scoring or secondary scoring.

Sedins production was greatly helped by a strong supporting cast IMHO.

Get a great second line going and Pp unit and then the sedin get away from the top shut down lines . Kesler and co were amazing in 2010 so teams started to get thin on who to cover when.

This year we should have 3 good lines, and some fight - fight literally. That should back the cheap shots off a bit .....when do we play marchand?

Btw - lame blogging these days. Hope we get coverage asap.

I didn't say that given a choice a GM would chose one over the other, I'm talking about what a 70-80 point player costs in today's NHL, which is around $7.5m.

Just because you think the Sedins are soft doesn't mean they aren't worth the money that the market dictates. Plus, WTF do you care how much they are paid if the GM makes the cap work? If the choices are pay the Sedins $7.5m or let them walk there is really only one choice because without the twins there won't be any primary scoring or secondary scoring.
- 1970vintage

WhyI care how much they get paid is because as a fan I want to see the best team iced wearing our logo.

I don,t recall the last soft team that won a cup do you?

I have no idea why people get so offended when I say offer an aging player 5 mil for 3 years.

I didn't say that given a choice a GM would chose one over the other, I'm talking about what a 70-80 point player costs in today's NHL, which is around $7.5m.

Just because you think the Sedins are soft doesn't mean they aren't worth the money that the market dictates. Plus, WTF do you care how much they are paid if the GM makes the cap work? If the choices are pay the Sedins $7.5m or let them walk there is really only one choice because without the twins there won't be any primary scoring or secondary scoring.
- 1970vintage

Sedins arent tough but neither was gretzky so i give them a pass. Amazing that 2 former scoring champs get no respect. Not necessarily calling out Vantel here but these guys will have at least 80 points each for 3 more years if i had to bet on it.