swear i posted before i saw your comments. great minds, as they say...
- isaiah520

Too true.

As a question about what the move means, obviously the Flyers want to see what Laughton can do in the big show for more than a 4 game period, regardless if they can or cannot keep him for longer than the 9 games without burning the year of his ELC. I know the ELC is made to be a joke between some around here but, in a NHL Cap era, it matters enough for it to be a part of the discussion. But like I said, regardless I think the Flyers want to see what he can do. I guess it just comes down to whether they slot him on the 3rd or 4th line. Talbot has looked good this year, he's been shooting the puck like his first year when he vastly exceeded expectations. So it's a tough call. Wouldn't mind Lavy putting him on the 3rd line and telling him to just forecheck hard and play defensive minded, the offense will come. But it's Lavy and this is the Flyers, so let's trade for John Mitchell and keep Laughton as the 14th forward behind Rosehill.

[quote=JoeRussomanno]
but we gave up no one and maybe he thought our young guys weren't ready

Why did the Flyers send Hall down and not Rosehill??

Why did the Flyers send Hall down and not Rosehill??
- FLYERSROCK!

Rosehill is a winger, maybe? Could this mean Laughton is the 4C?

Why did the Flyers send Hall down and not Rosehill??
- FLYERSROCK!

Where is the info on Hall being sent down? I seen only that they sent Vandevelde down today

Where is the info on Hall being sent down? I seen only that they sent Vandevelde down today
- Buzzo

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Dziurzynski, Dave
OTT
Hoffman, Mike
OTT
Staubitz, Brad
ANA
Nilstorp, Cristopher
DAL
Gazdic, Luke
DAL
Morin, Travis
DAL

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Sceviour, Colton
DAL
Gervais, Bruno
PHI
Hall, Adam
PHI
Strachan, Tyson
WSH
Craig, Ryan
CBJ
Skille, Jack
CBJ
Goloubef, Cody
CBJ

Waivers:
Smith, Jeremy
CBJ
McKenna, Mike
CBJ
Porter, Chris
STL
Adam, Luke
BUF


Lots of folks will be happy to see Gervais waived.

Has anyone seen Mitchell play? Having a +5 on the Avalanche is no small thing. if Mitchell is an upgrade on the 3rd line I'd do it, if not I'd wait.

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Dziurzynski, Dave
OTT
Hoffman, Mike
OTT
Staubitz, Brad
ANA
Nilstorp, Cristopher
DAL
Gazdic, Luke
DAL
Morin, Travis
DAL

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Sceviour, Colton
DAL
Gervais, Bruno
PHI
Hall, Adam
PHI
Strachan, Tyson
WSH
Craig, Ryan
CBJ
Skille, Jack
CBJ
Goloubef, Cody
CBJ

Waivers:
Smith, Jeremy
CBJ
McKenna, Mike
CBJ
Porter, Chris
STL
Adam, Luke
BUF


Lots of folks will be happy to see Gervais waived.
- BulliesPhan87

I am assuming because they are waived does not entirely mean that atleast Hall would not be on opening night roster, also maybe that means that Laughton will be 4th line center and that a trade of Mez or Grossman is not imminent as they free up some cap space elsewhere.

Rosehill is a winger, maybe? Could this mean Laughton is the 4C?
- BulliesPhan87

Hall can play RW and he's a great PKer
I don't like this move at all really
3rd line ATM is Talbot-Couts-Read
4th: Rinaldo-Laughton-Rosehill
No sense sending down Hall

Hall can play RW and he's a great PKer
I don't like this move at all really
3rd line ATM is Talbot-Couts-Read
4th: Rinaldo-Laughton-Rosehill
No sense sending down Hall
- FLYERSROCK!

Agreed. If he goes through waivers now does he have to go through waivers at all during the season if they wanna bring up someone like mcginn

Has anyone seen Mitchell play? Having a +5 on the Avalanche is no small thing. if Mitchell is an upgrade on the 3rd line I'd do it, if not I'd wait.
- jstross

think he's a solid 3rd liner. If we can trade Mez and get a guy like Mitchell, then more power to Homer. It'd be a good move.

Why did the Flyers send Hall down and not Rosehill??
- FLYERSROCK!

Cap move, methinks.

I also hope they don't play Laughton At 4th line center. He'd benefit so much more being a 1st line C in Junior
3rd line wing makes all the Sense in the world for a super shutdown line of Laughts-Couts-Read but Lavy will play Talbot as 3rd line LW and Laughton with the 2 goons

Cap move, methinks.
- JAKEw1234

According to Capgeek after these waivers the Flyers are $16,022 over the Cap not counting bonuses. Not sure what the penalty is for beig over that amount, but they would definitely maximize Pronger's LTIR. Then if they were able to trade Mez for Mitchell they would save an additional $2.9 million which gives them a decent amount of room.

The real problem is that they keep taking 1-step forward and then 1-2 steps back each time they decide to make another change in direction.

Every time a core seems poised to capitalize on hard lessons learned together, it's torn to pieces in order to add that next critical 'missing piece', or in the subsequent ripple effects.

I'm sure the same will happen with this current young core... you can bet that a majority of LSchenn/BSchenn/Read/Couturier/Voracek/Simmonds won't be here in 3-4 years time, and probably right as they become comfortable and get the hang of winning together.

For Snider, patience is a four letter word. Until that changes, this team is most likely f'ed.
- Tomahawk

I see it completely differently. This team is built around some excellent young players, and a boatload of talent. Sure they're missing a few pieces, but overall they have a solid nucleus. I see more of a tweaking then tearing it to pieces. They did that obviously with the Carter/Richards deals, but since then they've identified a core, and a direction. You can bail and say that the team is f'ed, but I'm still excited about this team. They have the talent. They just need to do a better job becoming a team. That's on Coaching as far as I'm concerned. I think that's the biggest issue with this team.

According to Capgeek after these waivers the Flyers are $16,022 over the Cap not counting bonuses. Not sure what the penalty is for beig over that amount, but they would definitely maximize Pronger's LTIR. Then if they were able to trade Mez for Mitchell they would save an additional $2.9 million which gives them a decent amount of room.
- jstross

2.9 is counting opening day with Pronger and MAB on LTIR?

I am assuming because they are waived does not entirely mean that atleast Hall would not be on opening night roster, also maybe that means that Laughton will be 4th line center and that a trade of Mez or Grossman is not imminent as they free up some cap space elsewhere.
- Buzzo

That's correct. Waiving a player, and assigning him to Adirondack, is two separate and different transactions.

Hall can play RW and he's a great PKer
I don't like this move at all really
3rd line ATM is Talbot-Couts-Read
4th: Rinaldo-Laughton-Rosehill
No sense sending down Hall
- FLYERSROCK!

Hasn't been sent down yet.

I see it completely differently. This team is built around some excellent young players, and a boatload of talent. Sure they're missing a few pieces, but overall they have a solid nucleus. I see more of a tweaking then tearing it to pieces. They did that obviously with the Carter/Richards deals, but since then they've identified a core, and a direction. You can bail and say that the team is f'ed, but I'm still excited about this team. They have the talent. They just need to do a better job becoming a team. That's on Coaching as far as I'm concerned. I think that's the biggest issue with this team.
- MJL

Oh, what Willie Desjardins could do for this team

According to Capgeek after these waivers the Flyers are $16,022 over the Cap not counting bonuses. Not sure what the penalty is for beig over that amount, but they would definitely maximize Pronger's LTIR. Then if they were able to trade Mez for Mitchell they would save an additional $2.9 million which gives them a decent amount of room.
- jstross

The Penalty for not being Cap Compliant is forfeiture of games. Not going to happen.

2.9 is counting opening day with Pronger and MAB on LTIR?
- Buzzo

Pronger's LTIR ($4.941,xxx - $16,111) roughly $4.77 million in cap space not counting bonuses. If they then deal Mez for Mitchell they'd get another $2.9 million in space for a total of about $7.67 million not counting who they bring back up. Of course they could lose some of the payers on Waivers, but to get the maximum space I thought they would do something likes for several weeks now.

The Penalty for not being Cap Compliant is forfeiture of games. Not going to happen.
- MJL

Yeah, after I typed that by putting Pronger on LTIR right away they'd be compliant.

Pronger's LTIR ($4.941,xxx - $16,111) roughly $4.77 million in cap space not counting bonuses. If they then deal Mez for Mitchell they'd get another $2.9 million in space for a total of about $7.67 million not counting who they bring back up. Of course they could lose some of the payers on Waivers, but to get the maximum space I thought they would do something likes for several weeks now.
- jstross

Did you use the Cap calculator to come to that total?

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Dziurzynski, Dave
OTT
Hoffman, Mike
OTT
Staubitz, Brad
ANA
Nilstorp, Cristopher
DAL
Gazdic, Luke
DAL
Morin, Travis
DAL

Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud
Waivers:
Sceviour, Colton
DAL
Gervais, Bruno
PHI
Hall, Adam
PHI
Strachan, Tyson
WSH
Craig, Ryan
CBJ
Skille, Jack
CBJ
Goloubef, Cody
CBJ

Waivers:
Smith, Jeremy
CBJ
McKenna, Mike
CBJ
Porter, Chris
STL
Adam, Luke
BUF


Lots of folks will be happy to see Gervais waived.
- BulliesPhan87

I'm ok with Waiving Gervais, but I thought Hall played well. Hopefully just a paper move and we don't lose him on waivers.

Pronger's LTIR ($4.941,xxx - $16,111) roughly $4.77 million in cap space not counting bonuses. If they then deal Mez for Mitchell they'd get another $2.9 million in space for a total of about $7.67 million not counting who they bring back up. Of course they could lose some of the payers on Waivers, but to get the maximum space I thought they would do something likes for several weeks now.
- jstross

Or they could just trade Mez for Mitchell and not even have to put pronger on LTIR