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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:19 PM ET
Surprised by the hall waiving
- funmaster18


Considering that they could have waived Rosehill and got the same cap savings, I agree 100%.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:23 PM ET
sure the approach can be frustrating, but to me, its pretty cut and dry

there's two ways to operate in this current NHL. either try your best to patchwork things while maintaining a playoff caliber team and hope for the best... or to suck for around 5 years and build completely through the draft.

there's really not much middleground.

personally, im proud to root for a team that refuses to accept losing and has only missed the playoffs in 1.5 seasons in the last long while.

- Crimsoninja


And flip that 5 years of suck around. The Leafs sucked for 7 years, made the playoffs, and are very possibly on the outside looking in. The Oilers got to the SCF 7 years ago and even now aren't a lock for the playoffs, despite oicking 1st overall 3 years in a row.

Columbus took ten years and 3 GMs before they finally seemed to get it right. Sucking for 5 years is still no guarantee that you'll win a thing.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Sep 28 @ 9:28 PM ET
Considering that they could have waived Rosehill and got the same cap savings, I agree 100%.
- Jsaquella



i am pretty freaking annoyed
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:31 PM ET
i am pretty freaking annoyed
- -davies-


If Laughton had outplayed Hall, it'd be one thing...but Hall looked better to me in the games that I got to watch. It's not as if Laughton came in and took Hall's job and there was no way to keep him off the roster.

Now we're gonna start the clock on Laughton's deal and play him between Rinaldo and another 4th liner, rather than let him get 20 minutes a night as the top line center for Oshawa, and likely be traded at the end of the year to a strong Memorial Cup contender.

But, hey...we still have a heavyweight fighter.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Sep 28 @ 9:33 PM ET
Considering that they could have waived Rosehill and got the same cap savings, I agree 100%.
- Jsaquella


I don't get it at all. Sometimes I really wonder
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:35 PM ET
I don't get it at all. Sometimes I really wonder
- funmaster18


I really hope they have a deal cooking, and I really hope that I'm wrong and Hall doesn't get claimed.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Sep 28 @ 9:40 PM ET
If Laughton had outplayed Hall, it'd be one thing...but Hall looked better to me in the games that I got to watch. It's not as if Laughton came in and took Hall's job and there was no way to keep him off the roster.

Now we're gonna start the clock on Laughton's deal and play him between Rinaldo and another 4th liner, rather than let him get 20 minutes a night as the top line center for Oshawa, and likely be traded at the end of the year to a strong Memorial Cup contender.

But, hey...we still have a heavyweight fighter.

- Jsaquella

To be fair, in the last game yesterday Laughton looked good and seemed like a mature player from the sound snippets the commentators played (as in discussing with Hall where he was gonna be in certain scenarios)
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 28 @ 9:42 PM ET
Considering that they could have waived Rosehill and got the same cap savings, I agree 100%.
- Jsaquella


Almost, but not exactly. There's a 75K difference and whatever they're up to that just might make a difference.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:43 PM ET
To be fair, in the last game yesterday Laughton looked good and seemed like a mature player from the sound snippets the commentators played (as in discussing with Hall where he was gonna be in certain scenarios)
- JAKEw1234


He did look pretty good last night, but Hall looked just as good. And Hall's looked solid in the games I have seen, where Laughton didn't especially stand out.

I stand by what I said earlier in the summer-I'd want Laughton to clearly earn a job as one of the best 12 forwards on the team...I'm not sold he did that in the games I saw.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 28 @ 9:45 PM ET
He did look pretty good last night, but Hall looked just as good. And Hall's looked solid in the games I have seen, where Laughton didn't especially stand out.

I stand by what I said earlier in the summer-I'd want Laughton to clearly earn a job as one of the best 12 forwards on the team...I'm not sold he did that in the games I saw.

- Jsaquella

can we bring hall back or does he have to reclear waivers?
iroc4me2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Spring Mount, PA
Joined: 06.17.2007

Sep 28 @ 9:46 PM ET
If Laughton had outplayed Hall, it'd be one thing...but Hall looked better to me in the games that I got to watch. It's not as if Laughton came in and took Hall's job and there was no way to keep him off the roster.

Now we're gonna start the clock on Laughton's deal and play him between Rinaldo and another 4th liner, rather than let him get 20 minutes a night as the top line center for Oshawa, and likely be traded at the end of the year to a strong Memorial Cup contender.

But, hey...we still have a heavyweight fighter.

- Jsaquella


I couldn't have said it any better myself. In fairness, Rosehill does have a nice head of hair
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:47 PM ET
Almost, but not exactly. There's a 75K difference and whatever they're up to that just might make a difference.
- jstross


They're actually paying $75K more to Rosehill, according to capgeek.

After waiving Hall and Gervais(assuming they go to another team or the AHL, the Flyers will be $16,022.00 over the cap.

Had they waived Rosehill, they would be under the cap.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:48 PM ET
can we bring hall back or does he have to reclear waivers?
- 2Real


If he clears waivers, he can be recalled without any other process...recall waivers are gone.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Sep 28 @ 9:48 PM ET
Bissionette appeals his 10-game automatic suspension for jumping off the bench to fight. His suspension is reduced to 3 games. I bet Clarkson is feeling pretty dumb for not appealing his identical suspension.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 28 @ 9:51 PM ET
Bissionette appeals his 10-game automatic suspension for jumping off the bench to fight. His suspension is reduced to 3 games. I bet Clarkson is feeling pretty dumb for not appealing his identical suspension.
- JAKEw1234


One huge difference is there's clear video of Clarkson leaving the bench and none of Bissonette
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 28 @ 9:53 PM ET
They're actually paying $75K more to Rosehill, according to capgeek.

After waiving Hall and Gervais(assuming they go to another team or the AHL, the Flyers will be $16,022.00 over the cap.

Had they waived Rosehill, they would be under the cap.

- Jsaquella


I know, it's all confusing as to what the heck they are up to. I would think Hall is a much more valuable asset than Rosehill.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 28 @ 9:54 PM ET
If he clears waivers, he can be recalled without any other process...recall waivers are gone.
- Jsaquella

oh so what's the big deal with waiving him
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Sep 28 @ 9:56 PM ET
I know, it's all confusing as to what the heck they are up to. I would think Hall is a much more valuable asset than Rosehill.
- jstross

I mean, neither are gonna get you much through trade,
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 28 @ 9:59 PM ET
man the hawks are all over the caps
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 28 @ 9:59 PM ET
I mean, neither are gonna get you much through trade,
- JAKEw1234


True, but why waive the better player that probably has more value? Unless some teams would prefer a 2 year deal for Rosehill? Hopefully it will all makes sense when the dominoes fall, but probably not.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 28 @ 10:00 PM ET
True, but why waive the better player that probably has more value? Unless some teams would prefer a 2 year deal for Rosehill? Hopefully it will all makes sense when the dominoes fall, but probably not.
- jstross

who do we have to fight if rosehill is claimed
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 28 @ 10:03 PM ET
who do we have to fight if rosehill is claimed
- 2Real


Hall, LOL.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 28 @ 10:04 PM ET
Hall, LOL.
- jstross

jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Sep 28 @ 10:06 PM ET

- 2Real


I know, but give him some cred. He tried last night.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Sep 28 @ 10:10 PM ET
If Laughton had outplayed Hall, it'd be one thing...but Hall looked better to me in the games that I got to watch. It's not as if Laughton came in and took Hall's job and there was no way to keep him off the roster.

Now we're gonna start the clock on Laughton's deal and play him between Rinaldo and another 4th liner, rather than let him get 20 minutes a night as the top line center for Oshawa, and likely be traded at the end of the year to a strong Memorial Cup contender.

But, hey...we still have a heavyweight fighter.

- Jsaquella

oh, but haven't you heard...the ELC should play no role in whether laught should make the team...or so it has been pronounced by the intelligensia.
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