nope.

I don't think the cap will go 70M next year maybe 68M.
- zazzle

i THINK if the league generates 3.8 B the cap would come in around 68-69 million. i believe about $100 million or more of the players share goes to cover player benefits and doesn't go towards the cap. but that's still a big if. it's not a no brainer that revenues hit that number so anyone saying the cap is going to breeze by $70 million is just hoping.

Yeah they made 75% or revenue before lockout in less than 60% of he games. You're making no sense.
- burn

Where r u getting ur numbers ? Nhl said they lost 1.3 billion from the lockout last year

We all know Burke around here, anyone else think he's offering Nonis something like: (cheap roster player) for Liles+prospect?
- MapleLeafsFTW

James Mirtle: Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle on John-Michael Liles: ”The feelings inside the coaches’ and management’s office should be left there… We know there’s tough decisions coming.”


Pierre LeBrun of ESPN: The Maple Leafs would like to move John-Michael Liles, but he has three years at $3.875 million left on his deal. If they were able to move him, they may have to include another piece to entice someone. The Flames do have lots of cap space, and Brian Burke did bring Liles to the Leafs. The Flames may not be that interested in Liles, but if they included center Joe Colborne, they might consider. If the Leafs don’t like any offers, they could send Korbinian Holzer and/or Mark Fraser to the AHL. They could send Liles to the AHL, but it would only give them a cap savings of $925,000

i THINK if the league generates 3.8 B the cap would come in around 68-69 million. i believe about $100 million or more of the players share goes to cover player benefits and doesn't go towards the cap. but that's still a big if. it's not a no brainer that revenues hit that number so anyone saying the cap is going to breeze by $70 million is just hoping.
- scotch_tape

It's not a guarantee by any means. But based on past lockouts, and all the outdoor games this year, it certainly isn't impossible either.

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can't really base anything off last year's revenue. everyone marvels at it and talks about x% of revenue in a 48-game season but peopler don't realize that A) we had a full playoff revenue B) the 34 games lopped off the schedule were the league's least lucrative. they were games going on during NFL season, baseball playoffs, college football, etc. there's a reason NBC only starts its regular broadcasts in the winter. that's when the NHL starts making its money. it's a bit early to make such assumptions.

Ok but they just had another lockout you really think there gonna hit that 7% again not a chance damage is done in a lot of markets in the states again i firmly believe the 4 outdoor games were put in to help with the revenue where it is
- arnpriorguy

They made 75% of the revenue from before the lockout, in less than 60% of the games.

What damage? People came back in record numbers.

And 4 more outdoor games next year as well, plus growth.

FYI the league had some of its largest growth coming out of the 1st lockout. What you are saying doesn't jive with reality.

James Mirtle: Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle on John-Michael Liles: ”The feelings inside the coaches’ and management’s office should be left there… We know there’s tough decisions coming.”


Pierre LeBrun of ESPN: The Maple Leafs would like to move John-Michael Liles, but he has three years at $3.875 million left on his deal. If they were able to move him, they may have to include another piece to entice someone. The Flames do have lots of cap space, and Brian Burke did bring Liles to the Leafs. The Flames may not be that interested in Liles, but if they included center Joe Colborne, they might consider. If the Leafs don’t like any offers, they could send Korbinian Holzer and/or Mark Fraser to the AHL. They could send Liles to the AHL, but it would only give them a cap savings of $925,000
- Mapleleafs_91

Mirtle took that quote out of context. But yeah that's what I'm saying.

@Atomic Wedgie, this might help you understand what I was saying.

Where r u getting ur numbers ? Nhl said they lost 1.3 billion from the lockout last year
- arnpriorguy

Lost. Profit / loss has no bearing on the cap. It's entirely base off revenue.

It's not a guarantee by any means. But based on past lockouts, and all the outdoor games this year, it certainly isn't impossible either.
- MapleLeafsFTW

for sure. and even if it doesn't hit 70 this year, it'll blow by 70 in 2 years.
and when you think about it, you realize how stupid it was that the owners and the union let the lockout drag on the way it did.

can't really base anything off last year's revenue. everyone marvels at it and talks about x% of revenue in a 48-game season but peopler don't realize that A) we had a full playoff revenue B) the 34 games lopped off the schedule were the league's least lucrative. they were games going on during NFL season, baseball playoffs, college football, etc. there's a reason NBC only starts its regular broadcasts in the winter. that's when the NHL starts making its money. it's a bit early to make such assumptions.
- scotch_tape

I didn't make any assumptions, I'm just saying it's not out of the question. Even if you don't go by last years numbers, if you go by post lockout years and the effects of outdoor games it isn't impossible that they reach it. I'm not guaranteeing anything, it just isn't impossible.

for sure. and even if it doesn't hit 70 this year, it'll blow by 70 in 2 years.
and when you think about it, you realize how stupid it was that the owners and the union let the lockout drag on the way it did.
- scotch_tape

They didn't accomplish anything, Ridiculous contracts are still being handed out, just pissed of their fans for 5 months.

I didn't make any assumptions, I'm just saying it's not out of the question. Even if you don't go by last years numbers, if you go by post lockout years and the effects of outdoor games it isn't impossible that they reach it. I'm not guaranteeing anything, it just isn't impossible.
- MapleLeafsFTW

i didnt mean you, meant more in general.

i THINK if the league generates 3.8 B the cap would come in around 68-69 million. i believe about $100 million or more of the players share goes to cover player benefits and doesn't go towards the cap. but that's still a big if. it's not a no brainer that revenues hit that number so anyone saying the cap is going to breeze by $70 million is just hoping.
- scotch_tape

Note hope. Math.

($3.8B 2013-2014 Revenue*5% Growth - $100M Benefits)*50%/30 teams *15% Upper Limit = $74.5M Cap for 2014-2015.

i didnt mean you, meant more in general.
- scotch_tape

Are you actually a Carolina fan? What's your take on J. Staal, I have in my fantasy pool.

They didn't accomplish anything, Ridiculous contracts are still being handed out, just pissed of their fans for 3 months.
- MapleLeafsFTW

i dont even care about the contracts personally. it's just that they ended up signing such a reasonable, "fair for both sides" deal in an age where the $$$ is pouring in and almost lost an entire season (and salary) in doing it.

Note hope. Math.

($3.8B 2013-2014 Revenue*5% Growth - $100M Benefits)*50%/30 teams *15% Upper Limit = $74.5M Cap for 2014-2015.
- doinktheclown

74.5? That seems incredibly high, I think you're missing something.

Just like nobody wanted Lombardi. I don't think you are grasping my point.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Nobody wanted Komi.

Guess how that turned out.

Note hope. Math.

($3.8B 2013-2014 Revenue*5% Growth - $100M Benefits)*50%/30 teams *15% Upper Limit = $74.5M Cap for 2014-2015.
- doinktheclown

the cap is based on the previous season's revenue, not a projection of the coming season. don't think your 5% should be in there. that's where i come to 69-69 million.

i dont even care about the contracts personally. it's just that they ended up signing such a reasonable, "fair for both sides" deal in an age where the $$$ is pouring in and almost lost an entire season (and salary) in doing it.
- scotch_tape

Truesay, maybe they did research and found in the long run a lockout is good for the leagues profits? Who knows?

And what about Semin's? he was good for you guys but 49 mil is crazy.

Mirtle took that quote out of context. But yeah that's what I'm saying.

@Atomic Wedgie, this might help you understand what I was saying.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Call me when the trade is official.

Until then, I remain skeptical.

Time to start drinking.

Wedgie out!

Nobody wanted Komi.

Guess how that turned out.
- Atomic Wedgie

We also had the cap space, so that we could bury him in the minors and still be under the cap, we do not have the same luxury.

Call me when the trade is official.

Until then, I remain skeptical.

Time to start drinking.

Wedgie out!
- Atomic Wedgie

Have a good one!

Both sides acknowledged the cap is artificially high this year due to it being set during the CBA. Next year it will be based on 50% of the revenues. They said it would be approx. 60 million this year if it had been set on revenues. So basically that means league revenues around 3.6 billion. For it to go up to 70 million league revenues would need to be in the 4.2 billion range. That's a 17% increase. The leagues projections are that the outdoor games will add about 180 million. That would bring revenues to 3.78 billion. where does the other 420 million increase come from? There have been some ticket increases in some markets. I see revenue next year coming in around 3.8-3.85 billion. Which would be a cap round 64-65 million.

Again. I've seen no one show where the other money is coming from?

JMO.
- Iggysbff

The formula for the upper cap is 50% HRR + 15%.

Basically, that 3.8 billion HRR estimate you give for next year would calculate out like this: (in millions):

3800 divided by 30 = 126.666 x 50% = 63.333 x 1.15 = 72.8 million.

So, if your HRR estimate is correct, the upper cap next year would be $72.8 million.

They made 75% of the revenue from before the lockout, in less than 60% of the games.

What damage? People came back in record numbers.

And 4 more outdoor games next year as well, plus growth.

FYI the league had some of its largest growth coming out of the 1st lockout. What you are saying doesn't jive with reality.
- burn

Ok but back then there wasnt a massive ression in the states prove and point detroit,chicago,la,st louis didnt sell out last yr until the playoffs cant base ur facts on an economy that doesnt exist anymore

74.5? That seems incredibly high, I think you're missing something.
- MapleLeafsFTW

i don't think his 5% should be in there. that's a few million per team. (but i could be wrong there.) and as for the $100 million... he's got it being split but it comes strictly from the players' share.