- Tomahawk

At this point...well, I'd call him. Just to see what kind of shape he's in.

Are we really trying to argue that Daniel Cleary and Maxime Talbot are the same player?

Because if we're going to look at the lockout season as what a player truly is, instead of the seasons leading up to it, then we've got problems on this roster.
- AllInForFlyers

Haven't you learned we don't have "problems". We have "issues".

He said MONEY aside.
- FlyersGrace

Well thats just illogical. You cant set money aside.

Haven't you learned we don't have "problems". We have "issues".

- FlyersGrace

I'm not arguing that Talbot is old, broken down and well past his best. Just that Cleary is.
- Feanor

Huh. That old player sure looked pretty spry in the playoffs last year, and the Greatest GM to Ever Put Together a Team sure didn't mind bringing him back once he thought he was going to lose him.

But hey. Again, I'm just this crazy person who thinks Daniel Cleary could have helped the Flyers. Silly me.

Well thats just illogical. You cant set money aside.
- youarewrong

Talbot is wealthy, but he's not out of control rich. Almost half of his salary goes to taxes and he isn't going to be making this kind of money forever.

Haven't you learned we don't have "problems". We have "issues".

- FlyersGrace

No, No, No. It's neither a problem nor an issue because every team needs to have a 3rd line left winger. Your premise is incorrect.

Huh. That old player sure looked pretty spry in the playoffs last year, and the Greatest GM to Ever Put Together a Team sure didn't mind bringing him back once he thought he was going to lose him.

But hey. Again, I'm just this crazy person who thinks Daniel Cleary could have helped the Flyers. Silly me.
- AllInForFlyers

Sadly I think that boat has sailed. What I don't doubt is that Holmgren has been on the phone seeing what we can get for Mez.

Talbot is wealthy, but he's not out of control rich. Almost half of his salary goes to taxes and he isn't going to be making this kind of money forever.
- PhillySportsGuy

True, but I bet his investment portfolio is nice.
I always wanted to ask Betts what his retirement plan looked like.

EDIT: and no you foul minded beasts, this is not a euphemism.

Talbot is wealthy, but he's not out of control rich. Almost half of his salary goes to taxes and he isn't going to be making this kind of money forever.
- PhillySportsGuy

DONT GET ME STARTED......

Really though, if he is smart he would never have to work another day in his life.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN 21m
Flyers sent Michael Raffl and O. lauridsen to phantoms. Very surprised at Raffl move

Didn't see that coming.

Edit: LEIGHT AGAIN!

True, but I bet his investment portfolio is nice.
I always wanted to ask Betts what his retirement plan looked like.

EDIT: and no you foul minded beasts, this is not a euphemism.
- FlyersGrace

I like it when you talk dirty.

Eklund ‏@ILoveToMakeStuffUp75 27 Sep

#Weber to Flyers rumors heating up. Flyers to sign #Gagne. e4. #hits
- jmatchett383

B. Schenn, Morin, Coburn and Next years 1st, plus Flyers take back a crappy salary.

I'm not making an assumption. Do you honestly think that other people don't read, or can't read, anything other than what you read? Do you truly think that? I don't have to make assumptions -- people write stories about hockey teams every single day!

Talbot said -- and Ray Shero agreed -- that he wanted to see what was out there in free agency because the Pens didn't see him as anything more than a fourth-liner -- and because he was on the fourth line behind Cooke-Staal-Kennedy, he was right!


- AllInForFlyers

I'd be happy to take a look at that information. Stories are written about teams every day. What's written in them is not always fact. Talbot was getting 12-14 minutes a game as a Pen, including over 15 minutes a game in the playoffs in the 08/09 Season. Those totals are pretty high for a 4th line player. Those are facts.

And because this is a crucial year for Sean Couturier's development, no, I do not think you can have a winger who has consistently struggled to put up points stifling his growth. That's why I wanted Daniel Cleary -- a clear-cut 40-point winger -- to come here.

That's what an ideal third-line winger looks like: Daniel Cleary. Is that so hard to freaking understand?
- AllInForFlyers

There's what's ideal, and then there's reality. If you care to we can look at NHL teams, and see what point totals their forwards put up, especially those who play on the 3rd line. Last year is hard to compare, due to the shortened Season. But if we look at the Stanley Cup Champions from the two Seasons before, where a full Season was played. You'll find that 10-12 goals and 25 points for a 3rd line Winger is more then adequate for a good team. I'd be happy to provide those stats if neccessary.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN 21m
Flyers sent Michael Raffl and O. lauridsen to phantoms. Very surprised at Raffl move

Didn't see that coming.

Edit: LEIGHT AGAIN!
- JAKEw1234

You seem shocked.
I always assume you are late with whatever you are posting.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN 21m
Flyers sent Michael Raffl and O. lauridsen to phantoms. Very surprised at Raffl move

Didn't see that coming.

Edit: LEIGHT AGAIN!
- JAKEw1234

I've been working all day. Any word on Laughton?

You seem shocked.
I always assume you are late with whatever you are posting.

- FlyersGrace

I'd be happy to take a look at that information. Stories are written about teams every day. What's written in them is not always fact. Talbot was getting 12-14 minutes a game as a Pen, including over 15 minutes a game in the playoffs in the 08/09 Season. Those totals are pretty high for a 4th line player. Those are facts.




There's what's ideal, and then there's reality. If you care to we can look at NHL teams, and see what point totals their forwards put up, especially those who play on the 3rd line. Last year is hard to compare, due to the shortened Season. But if we look at the Stanley Cup Champions from the two Seasons before, where a full Season was played. You'll find that 10-12 goals and 25 points for a 3rd line Winger is more then adequate for a good team. I'd be happy to provide those stats if neccessary.
- MJL

You are the single craziest poster I've ever seen. Are you honestly telling me, and this board, that because you didn't read stories about Maxime Talbot -- the same guy who scored two goals in Game 7 to win Pittsburgh a cup, the same guy who signed with a hated divisional, cross-state rival -- wouldn't have been asked by a beat writer about WHY he's leaving, and the GM wouldn't be asked about why he left him leave?

You're telling me that those questions wouldn't have been asked, and answered, and reported? Seriously? I need to provide you with links to it, because YOU haven't read it and YOU don't believe it?

You know, somebody said it earlier: I need to just get away from this board. Because...wow. You are the most delusional poster I've ever seen.

At this point...well, I'd call him. Just to see what kind of shape he's in.
- AllInForFlyers

who are the other options? boyes, prospal, sullivan, latendresse (just from a quick glance at capgeek, too lazy to see their camp situations)

I've been working all day. Any word on Laughton?
- PhillySportsGuy

He has not yet been sent down.

who are the other options? boyes, prospal, sullivan, latendresse (just from a quick glance at capgeek, too lazy to see their camp situations)
- FlyerMike18

Vinny Prospal would be awesome to have.

I've been working all day. Any word on Laughton?
- PhillySportsGuy

yep he sucks

He has not yet been sent down.
- JAKEw1234

So where do we stand with the 3rd line wing spot? Vandevelde?

B. Schenn, Morin, Coburn and Next years 1st, plus Flyers take back a crappy salary.
- jstross

What kind of trade proposal is this?

No mention of Shea Weber or BOB RYAB?

You people are slipping, man.

At this point...well, I'd call him. Just to see what kind of shape he's in.
- AllInForFlyers

Emotionally fragile, maybe a bit despondent, afraid to trust again?