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rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:03 PM ET


Turris @ .44 ppg.

But no worries, Kyle Turris now making 300k more than Stepan, is better. And he's produced less. But he's still better.


- blacksheep1

turris was taken in the first round after all
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:03 PM ET
Yeah but Brian Murray is arguably the best GM in the league. If he sees more value in Stepan than his own player development team... he would of made an offer sheet. Problem is, his hockey sense is not willing to let go a first round 7th overall pick, a possible sleeper pick in Pageau and one of the best second line centers in terms of value for quality for someone who simply provides secondary scoring. Sens would trade those for a primary scoring player, but not secondary.
- PtotheY

The best GM in the league is Ken Holland.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:05 PM ET
Yeah but Brian Murray is arguably the best GM in the league. If he sees more value in Stepan than his own player development team... he would of made an offer sheet. Problem is, his hockey sense is not willing to let go a first round 7th overall pick, a possible sleeper pick in Pageau and one of the best second line centers in terms of value for quality for someone who simply provides secondary scoring. Sens would trade those for a primary scoring player, but not secondary.
- PtotheY

no, he wouldn't have made an offer sheet, because like you said, you already have like 5 nhl-quality centers fighting for 4 spots. additionally, no GM in the league wants sather with his access to James Dolan's checkbook as an enemy.

how's da costa doing btw?
GioRock
New York Rangers
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Joined: 03.02.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:05 PM ET
Yeah but Brian Murray is arguably the best GM in the league. If he sees more value in Stepan than his own player development team... he would of made an offer sheet. Problem is, his hockey sense is not willing to let go a first round 7th overall pick, a possible sleeper pick in Pageau and one of the best second line centers in terms of value for quality for someone who simply provides secondary scoring. Sens would trade those for a primary scoring player, but not secondary.
- PtotheY

No, he would not have, for the same reason you shouldn't start a fight with someone 5 times your size. Are you kidding me?
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:05 PM ET


Turris @ .44 ppg.

But no worries, Kyle Turris now making 300k more than Stepan, is better. And he's produced less. But he's still better.


- blacksheep1


If you at least knew the playing conditions of under 7 minutes ice time that Turris played with coyotes for his first two years. You wouldn't be too quick on judging him by his point production. I can safely admit that I expect Turris to produce as many points as Stepan this year, especially considering he has a legit wingman to play with (McArthur).
But...just like your comments... these are just my opinions.
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:05 PM ET
turris was taken in the first round after all
- rangerdanger94

3rd overall in 2007. 1 year ahead of and 48 spots ahead of Stepan.
xcheckmajor
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 06.28.2013

Sep 26 @ 4:06 PM ET
i put tavares up there with malkin, stamkos, crosby, ovechkin.

again, you severely underestimate the extent as to which those guys you classify as 1st tier elite guy's teammates help them.

- rangerdanger94


That may be true but the fact is, when its done on paper, thats when its truly done. An arbitrator at this point in time is not going to award Tavares with a salary anywhere near what Crosby Malkin Ovechkin make because he's simply not considered the same tier of player. Regardless of the circumstance, he just hasn't DONE it yet. Can he? Would he with better linemates? Sure, possibly. But who knows? The fact is, this conversation started with Stepan's #s vs Tavares #s, anything else is both sides just speculating what ifs. I'm the only one thats sticking to the numbers and to what each player has achieved on paper.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:06 PM ET
No, he would not have, for the same reason you shouldn't start a fight with someone 5 times your size. Are you kidding me?
- GioRock


Oh so you're 34 feet tall? LOL
GioRock
New York Rangers
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Joined: 03.02.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:07 PM ET
Oh so you're 34 feet tall? LOL
- PtotheY

Idiot, I'm comparing the size and of the rags to that of the sens.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:07 PM ET
That may be true but the fact is, when its done on paper, thats when its truly done. An arbitrator at this point in time is not going to award Tavares with a salary anywhere near what Crosby Malkin Ovechkin make because he's simply not considered the same tier of player. Regardless of the circumstance, he just hasn't DONE it yet. Can he? Would he with better linemates? Sure, possibly. But who knows? The fact is, this conversation started with Stepan's #s vs Tavares #s, anything else is both sides just speculating what ifs. I'm the only one thats sticking to the numbers and to what each player has achieved on paper.
- xcheckmajor


I respectfully disagree. Tavares is probably the 3 or 4 best player in the world right now
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:09 PM ET
If you at least knew the playing conditions of under 7 minutes ice time that Turris played with coyotes for his first two years. You wouldn't be too quick on judging him by his point production. I can safely admit that I expect Turris to produce as many points as Stepan this year, especially considering he has a legit wingman to play with (McArthur).
But...just like your comments... these are just my opinions.

- PtotheY

In his 2 seasons with the sens. 48 points in 97 games. Derek Stepan 95 points in 130 games. Turris .49 ppg, Stepan .73 ppg.
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:10 PM ET
I respectfully disagree. Tavares is probably the 3 or 4 best player in the world right now
- PtotheY



He's not better than Crosby, Malkin, Stmakos, Oveckin. He's in the group right after that.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:11 PM ET
Idiot, I'm comparing the size and of the rags to that of the sens.
- GioRock


well I ain't here for trouble nor comparing both teams. Some people here just bash on the fact that I had made an original comment on someone suggesting an offer sheet by Ottawa. If you'd really know anything about Ottawa, you'd assume this to be a joke. I am just contributing to a post... but hey I am honored that I was able to touch your emotions to the point you needed to make a post on this.
PtotheY
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 07.20.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:13 PM ET


He's not better than Crosby, Malkin, Stmakos, Oveckin. He's in the group right after that.

- blacksheep1


He's not better than Crosby or Malking...(thats a tier on its own), but he's defenitely as good as Ovechkin and Stamkos.
GioRock
New York Rangers
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Joined: 03.02.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:14 PM ET
well I ain't here for trouble nor comparing both teams. Some people here just bash on the fact that I had made an original comment on someone suggesting an offer sheet by Ottawa. If you'd really know anything about Ottawa, you'd assume this to be a joke. I am just contributing to a post... but hey I am honored that I was able to touch your emotions to the point you needed to make a post on this.

- PtotheY

I have no emotions towrds you except maybe pity, if you really think Ottawa ( ) compares to NY in any way. You really are quite dumb.
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:14 PM ET
He's not better than Crosby or Malking...(thats a tier on its own), but he's defenitely as good as Ovechkin and Stamkos.
- PtotheY

No he's not. Agian if you want the numbers, (which clearly aren't your strong suit.) I can give them to you. Tavares will eventually be an supersstar talent, but he's no their yet.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:17 PM ET
Oh so you're 34 feet tall? LOL
- PtotheY



YOU'RE 7 feet tall??????
GioRock
New York Rangers
Location: Teaneck, NJ
Joined: 03.02.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:22 PM ET
YOU'RE 7 feet tall??????
- DONMURDOCH14

That's 6.8 feet tall, where did you go to grammer school, Ottawa?
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:32 PM ET
That's 6.8 feet tall, where did you go to grammer school, Ottawa?
- GioRock




Sorry....I was always taught to round up.
DONMURDOCH14
New York Rangers
Joined: 04.21.2009

Sep 26 @ 4:41 PM ET
Never like to hear this....


Kevin Allen
@ByKevinAllen
1h
Saddened to hear of the death of Denis Brodeur, Marty Brodeur's father. Interviewed him a few times over the years and he was a quality man.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 26 @ 4:45 PM ET
The best GM in the league is Ken Holland.
- blacksheep1

yeah no

but nice job kissing his ass like everyone else
blacksheep1
New York Rangers
Location: Handsome Eddy, IA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
yeah no

but nice job kissing his ass like everyone else

- Crimsoninja

Name a better GM. Holland has 3 cups to his name.
Iamnumber27
New York Rangers
Location: Nash is the Rangers Crosby
Joined: 10.06.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:47 PM ET
Didn't bother reading the whole thing. What a turd of a blog. Not funny at all tragic more like.
Iamnumber27
New York Rangers
Location: Nash is the Rangers Crosby
Joined: 10.06.2010

Sep 26 @ 4:49 PM ET
That's 6.8 feet tall, where did you go to grammer school, Ottawa?
- GioRock

Probably the same grammer(sic) school as you...
JimC62
New York Rangers
Location: Lake Ronkonkoma, NY
Joined: 09.26.2013

Sep 26 @ 4:53 PM ET
Crack is wack
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