I worry his goal totals this year are only going to be seven-eighths of what they could have been...
- Atomic Wedgie

so just 22? I'm ok with that.

You didn't hear?

NY have decided to let Callahan and Girardi walk at the end of the season.
- Pecafan Fan

Dude, check on capgeek.

They are clearly listed as eligible to become UFAs at the end of this year.

Learn the game before you post.

Do you even own hockey skates?

I worry his goal totals this year are only going to be seven-eighths of what they could have been...
- Atomic Wedgie

Nice.

And if Franson hadn't signed?

Liles can still play top 4 on this team (without Franson). Komi couldn't. D would be a bit scary without him.

Liles can also be traded. Look at the other "untradeable" players Leafs have traded the last couple years. It can be done, just going to take the right situation.
- Big_Lightnin

It's like the old saying goes; "If Lebda can be traded, anyone can be traded"

I was hoping for something a little more succinct - the kids these days have no attention spans.

Mrs. Atomic Wedgie was coaching softball this year, and somebody sent her a powerpoint presentation which outlined basic strategies (where to throw the ball when it is hit, depending on base runners, etc.) that was perfect.

Just hoping to find something similar.
- Atomic Wedgie

hmmmm.. i dont know off the top of my head then

And if Franson hadn't signed?

Liles can still play top 4 on this team (without Franson). Komi couldn't. D would be a bit scary without him.

Liles can also be traded. Look at the other "untradeable" players Leafs have traded the last couple years. It can be done, just going to take the right situation.
- Big_Lightnin

I hope you are right.

But you can't do that when he's on the Marlies. And we will still have to eat salary.

Would have been better to compliance buy-out Liles, and just send Komi home or buy him out and pay the smaller penalty for two years.

Sucks to be us, I guess.

Sorry I worded that weirdly. I mean Gunnarsson is the safe non-flashy player.
- markmark

ahhh gotchya.. that makes more sense

Question related to next season and UFAs:

Will Nonis be more interested in resigning Captain Phaneuf and Kessel (combined 14-15million cap hit) or go for the alternative of:

Orpik (4)+ Girardi (5.5) + Callahan (6.5) UFA Signings.. (16m combined)

Personally I would very much prefer the 2nd scenario..
- MaximusAurelius

So much wrong with this, don't know where to start. Lets just say this biggest issue with this is letting guys go and banking on others becoming UFA. Not smart at all.

And if Franson hadn't signed?

Liles can still play top 4 on this team (without Franson). Komi couldn't. D would be a bit scary without him.

Liles can also be traded. Look at the other "untradeable" players Leafs have traded the last couple years. It can be done, just going to take the right situation.
- Big_Lightnin

And one other thought: If Liles was off the books, Franson would have been signed earlier.


Yeah, "if its and buts were candy and nuts..."

Some twitter rumours suggesting Ashton + Liles the rumoured package to move JML
- Colin Dambrauskas

From who?

It's like the old saying goes; "If Lebda can be traded, anyone can be traded"
- markmark

Exactly. They'll have to take a contract back, but it will be one they can bury. Or retain salary.

worst case scenario here's his buyout next summer:

John-Michael Liles buyout from CapGeek.com
◦2014-15: $791,667
◦2015-16: $2,291,667
◦2016-17: $1,166,667
◦2017-18: $1,166,667

Not ideal, but completely manageable if there is no other option.

And one other thought: If Liles was off the books, Franson would have been signed earlier.

Yeah, "if its and buts were candy and nuts..."
- Atomic Wedgie

but would have had much more leverage to get overpaid

And one other thought: If Liles was off the books, Franson would have been signed earlier.


Yeah, "if its and buts were candy and nuts..."
- Atomic Wedgie

Hey did you ever find the Bobby Ryan article? the same story by the same author is on ESPN site. He just rewrote it for SN Mag.

I posted the link that day you asked but I think you were gone

http://espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270

From who?
- burn

To anyone...just meaning that its going to take a Asthon/Colborne/Prospect to move Liles for anything, really.

And if Franson hadn't signed?

Liles can still play top 4 on this team (without Franson). Komi couldn't. D would be a bit scary without him.

Liles can also be traded. Look at the other "untradeable" players Leafs have traded the last couple years. It can be done, just going to take the right situation.
- Big_Lightnin

I don't know why so many people think Liles is unmovable. If the leafs eat salary and maybe throw in a low- mid prospect it is certainly doable. In fact I think there is a good chance it happens before the season starts.

Dude, check on capgeek.

They are clearly listed as eligible to become UFAs at the end of this year.

Learn the game before you post.

Do you even own hockey skates?
- Atomic Wedgie

To anyone...just meaning that its going to take a Asthon/Colborne/Prospect to move Liles for anything, really.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Liles + Colborne + 4th for a 4th and $1M of dead salary.

From who?
- burn

Bushkorn

To anyone...just meaning that its going to take a Asthon/Colborne/Prospect to move Liles for anything, really.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I meant who was circulating the rumor on twitter.

I don't know why so many people think Liles is unmovable. If the leafs eat salary and maybe throw in a low- mid prospect it is certainly doable. In fact I think there is a good chance it happens before the season starts.
- D.Lemieux

The fact it hasn't happened yet...

If it happens this weekend, Nonis will shut up all the critics. Kept Liles just long enough to force Franson to sign for peanuts, then trade him - boom, $3M in extra cap space.

Hey did you ever find the Bobby Ryan article? the same story by the same author is on ESPN site. He just rewrote it for SN Mag.

I posted the link that day you asked but I think you were gone

http://espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3782270
- Big_Lightnin

Thanks, I'll read it.

The fact it hasn't happened yet...

If it happens this weekend, Nonis will shut up all the critics. Kept Liles just long enough to force Franson to sign for peanuts, then trade him - boom, $3M in extra cap space.


- Big_Lightnin

@markhmasters: Daniel Alfredsson makes Joe Louis Arena debut tonight v Leafs; injury has limited him to only one previous pre-season game (9/17)

anybody making the trip to boo Alfie?

Exactly. They'll have to take a contract back, but it will be one they can bury. Or retain salary.

worst case scenario here's his buyout next summer:

John-Michael Liles buyout from CapGeek.com
◦2014-15: $791,667
◦2015-16: $2,291,667
◦2016-17: $1,166,667
◦2017-18: $1,166,667

Not ideal, but completely manageable if there is no other option.
- Big_Lightnin

Next year wont be that bad

Kessel, Franson, Gardiner -- Large Raise

Bolland, McClement, Fraser, Phaneuf -- No Raise - The first 3 are 3rd or 4th liners if they get a raise it will be 250K or we move them

Kulemin - Paycut unless he has a great year
Reimer - If Bernier is the man - Not a Raise or gone - If they split give him a little raise


Ranger and Raymond - lets see what we have before we decide if we need them.

Some of these guys can easily be replace by Rielly, Blacker, Ashton etc.

It wont be that bad

I meant who was circulating the rumor on twitter.
- burn

Oh...dont recall, two different retweets from "sources" which I dont follow...dont really follow any "rumour twitter folk"...just discussion at this point, but I think if the Flames are involved in talks, Burke wants an Ashton type guy thrown in for free.