um... they, like SV%, are within statistical margin of error of being identical over such a small sample size... in the NHL.

Bernier's AHL stats blow Riemer's away. BUt obviously less important.

As for SV% being the one that matters... the other discussion going on these last few pages is how Leafs system keeps all the shots from low danger areas which are easy to handle... ie more easy shots... ie Riemer's SV% is inflated.
- Big_Lightnin

Are you seriously trying to argue Ron Wilson's system helped Reimer's stats?

As a rookie Reimer posted the NHl's 6th best save%, but every other goalie on the exact same team couldn't reach a .900 save%.

Reimer has posted above .920 save% 2 of his first 3 seasons. That is very impressive.

He indeed has had a better career than Bernier thus far.
- RogerRoeper

and the other year he posted a .900 flat and was brutal.

no, he does not have better numbers. They are essentially identical at NHL level. Only thing Riemer has is More games played, and that is a direct result of having ZERO competition.

But he hasn't gained anything with that experience. He's still has brutal rebound control and can't handle the puck to save his life. 2 things that, stats being equal, will easily be the difference between winning and losing a close game.

Are you seriously trying to argue Ron Wilson's system helped Reimer's stats?
As a rookie Reimer posted the NHl's 6th best save%, but every other goalie on the exact same team couldn't reach a .900 save%.
- RogerRoeper

Did Ron Wilson coach the Leafs this year?

And really - gonna prove he's good cause he was better than Toskala and Gustavson? Really? That's your actual argument?

Bernier had a 1.83 gaa last year. 2nd in the league.
- kylkri

Shh, that stat doesn't count.

# of goals that actually go by you is only important if you're concerned with winning.

well (frank)ing said brother
- Crimsoninja

you like woody

you like woody
- Aetherial

Who doesn't??

I like that Franson said this is where he wants to be and that it's his dream place.

and the other year he posted a .900 flat and was brutal.

no, he does not have better numbers. They are essentially identical at NHL level. Only thing Riemer has is More games played, and that is a direct result of having ZERO competition.

But he hasn't gained anything with that experience. He's still has brutal rebound control and can't handle the puck to save his life. 2 things that, stats being equal, will easily be the difference between winning and losing a close game.
- Big_Lightnin

Except they haven't been the difference yet.

You know Reimer's second year was interrupted by a concussion, right? His 2 healthy years were better than anything Bernier has put up. The longer Reimer plays, and puts up 920% years, that one outlier year will have less of an effect on his overall numbers.

Shh, that stat doesn't count.

# of goals that actually go by you is only important if you're concerned with winning.
- Big_Lightnin

And Reimer has a better winning %.

Except they haven't been the difference yet.

You know Reimer's second year was interrupted by a concussion, right? His 2 healthy years were better than anything Bernier has put up. The longer Reimer plays, and puts up 920% years, that one outlier year will have less of an effect on his overall numbers.
- djamon

fell asleep during the last 3 minutes of game 7 did ya?

Well in another argument Knuckles didn't get many consecutive starts and get himself in to a groove.
- Yeti1181

From just watching both goalies play this pre-season, while Sonic has played super, he still has a tendency to let in questionable goals & he's still strggling on rebounds. Where as Knuckles handles the puck better, seems more composed. Regardless, I think Kuckles will eventually win the #1 job.

Well buzz was obviously a better toy
- Arctic_AARDVARK

That's what my wife said.

fell asleep during the last 3 minutes of game 7 did ya?
- Big_Lightnin

F*ck...you're kidding, right?

You're gonna blame that on Reimer? Just wow.

And Reimer has a better winning %.
- djamon

cause he plays for a team that scores more goals to make up for his higher GAA.

And again, it isn't "better" enough to even be relevant, just like the SV%

Watching the new Michael J Fox show, his real life wife is on the show. SHE's A BABE

That's what my wife said.

- sloppyseconds2

i know

F*ck...you're kidding, right?

You're gonna blame that on Reimer? Just wow.
- djamon

In as much as he's the one who could have prevented it but didn't? Me and many many others.

and I don't hate Riemer... quite the opposite. But Bernier's flat out better than he is.

cause he plays for a team that scores more goals to make up for his higher GAA.

And again, it isn't "better" enough to even be relevant, just like the SV%
- Big_Lightnin

You're hilarious.

The Leafs have won, as a team, at a lesser rate than the Kings over the last 3 years. But Reimer individually has won at a greater rate than Bernier over that same span. And he's done it in a much greater sample size, with a better save % than Bernier.

He faces far, FAR more shots than Bernier, so his GAA is higher. But he saves more of them and wins more often.

There is literally no way to say that Bernier has been better than Reimer to this point. But feel free to keep changing the criteria and try.

F*ck...you're kidding, right?

You're gonna blame that on Reimer? Just wow.
- djamon

Not going to blame it on him but in same breath he didn't exactly help us either.

In as much as he's the one who could have prevented it but didn't? Me and many many others.

and I don't hate Riemer... quite the opposite. But Bernier's flat out better than he is.
- Big_Lightnin

Bernier is backwoods Quebec League. He has a sense of comfort that Reimer doesn't have with the puck.

Not going to blame it on him but in same breath he didn't exactly help us either.
- Yeti1181

He certainly didn't bail them...U need ya goaltender to be the best player on the ice in that situation...Reimer was far from it...It's a big part of the reason why Bernier is here..

In as much as he's the one who could have prevented it but didn't? Me and many many others.

and I don't hate Riemer... quite the opposite. But Bernier's flat out better than he is.
- Big_Lightnin

Actually I haven't seen anyone blame the collapse on Reimer. You're the first.

I like that Franson said this is where he wants to be and that it's his dream place.
- Yeti1181

Agreed.

BTW how was the trip to Edmonton?

Actually I haven't seen anyone blame the collapse on Reimer. You're the first.
- djamon

It's been discussed at here at length, and never started by me.

He certainly didn't bail them...U need ya goaltender to be the best player on the ice in that situation...Reimer was far from it...It's a big part of the reason why Bernier is here..
- Fruitcakenipple

I have a feeling some people are going to be very disappointed in Bernier this year. Not because he isn't good, but because he won't be better than Reimer.