He's cool as the come in net. Haven't gotten worried except for when Sal decided to check Voracek into him last night...
- NickA

he got run into a few times and every time I cringed. Philly has a dirty team and since now our best player is Schneider they where trying to get in his way and get him out of his comfort zone I was just praying they didn't do something stupid and Corey get injured before the season even starts. The Voracek thing was all Sals fault though for sure.

he got run into a few times and every time I cringed. Philly has a dirty team and since now our best player is Schneider they where trying to get in his way and get him out of his comfort zone I was just praying they didn't do something stupid and Corey get injured before the season even starts. The Voracek thing was all Sals fault though for sure.
- blizzzard

ended up being a positive cause voracek tweaked something lol

he got run into a few times and every time I cringed. Philly has a dirty team and since now our best player is Schneider they where trying to get in his way and get him out of his comfort zone I was just praying they didn't do something stupid and Corey get injured before the season even starts. The Voracek thing was all Sals fault though for sure.
- blizzzard

Cam should of punched Hartnell. He's worthless and if he did that it would of made him relevant for 2 mins. (frank)ing hate hartnell he was hacking at cory late all game and of course in typical devil fashion no one did poop. Instead we took like 5 stick infraction penalties..

ended up being a positive cause voracek tweaked something lol
- BDizzlez

One way to look at it i guess. I was secretly hoping bryce pulled something trying to hustle back. Sad to admit but it's true.

One way to look at it i guess. I was secretly hoping bryce pulled something trying to hustle back. Sad to admit but it's true.
- NickA

One way to look at it i guess. I was secretly hoping bryce pulled something trying to hustle back. Sad to admit but it's true.
- NickA

the scapegoatism going on around here is a bit ridiculous. we constantly look for singular players to blame for things that go wrong. last season everyone had a bad year not just zidlicky, salvador and volchenkov. I don't see why certain players like henrique, elias etc get a pass on the bad season but now we say zidlicky, salvador etc are just god awful. take it both ways

the scapegoatism going on around here is a bit ridiculous. we constantly look for singular players to blame for things that go wrong. last season everyone had a bad year not just zidlicky, salvador and volchenkov. I don't see why certain players like henrique, elias etc get a pass on the bad season but now we say zidlicky, salvador etc are just god awful. take it both ways
- BDizzlez

I wouldn't really call Elias' season that bad considering he was the only one doing anything. Guys like Salvador, Volchenkov, Zidlicky take all the poop because not only where they for the most part horrible last year but they still look horrible to start this season off. Where as guys like Larrson, Henrique have looked pretty damn good. Another reason is because it was both those guys second seasons and lots of guys have sophmore slumps but they look ready to make that next step. Sal Volchenkov and Zid all look like they are ready to take that next step to being even pooptier this season. Not one of those guys will ever get any faster and likely won't get any better because they are old and on a decline.It is funny how Sal was never all that great till that play off run and he wasn't great after that but yet ever one wants to act like the player that showed up for our play off run is the tru Sal even though he has only played that well for like 20 games..... Also it just not the old guys Zajac needs to have a major bounce back season because he was pathetic last year and he is signed for the next 6 years making money he isn't earning so far.

the scapegoatism going on around here is a bit ridiculous. we constantly look for singular players to blame for things that go wrong. last season everyone had a bad year not just zidlicky, salvador and volchenkov. I don't see why certain players like henrique, elias etc get a pass on the bad season but now we say zidlicky, salvador etc are just god awful. take it both ways
- BDizzlez

If you honestly think Elias and Henrique played as bad as Sal, Zid, and Volch you probably should get your eyes checked. Sal and Volch can barely skate, cant hit as a result of there horrible skating, and cant move the puck. Zid is a turnover machine and takes a bunch of lazy penalties. It's not unwarranted hatred or scapegoatism. These guys hold the team back with the constant mistakes and (frank) ups game in and game out. Only thing Sal and Volch do is block shots and that's not worth a roster spot.

I wouldn't really call Elias' season that bad considering he was the only one doing anything. Guys like Salvador, Volchenkov, Zidlicky take all the poop because not only where they for the most part horrible last year but they still look horrible to start this season off. Where as guys like Larrson, Henrique have looked pretty damn good. Another reason is because it was both those guys second seasons and lots of guys have sophmore slumps but they look ready to make that next step. Sal Volchenkov and Zid all look like they are ready to take that next step to being even pooptier this season. Not one of those guys will ever get any faster and likely won't get any better because they are old and on a decline.It is funny how Sal was never all that great till that play off run and he wasn't great after that but yet ever one wants to act like the player that showed up for our play off run is the tru Sal even though he has only played that well for like 20 games..... Also it just not the old guys Zajac needs to have a major bounce back season because he was pathetic last year and he is signed for the next 6 years making money he isn't earning so far.
- blizzzard

Ok but you guys overlook mistakes made by guys like merrill and seemingly choose not to see them compared to if zidlicky or salvador make a mistake you guys rip them apart. Again its preseason so there are going to be mistakes by everyone but all you guys can say about salvador from last night is his trip on voracek that ran him into schneider when he actually played good and blocked a 5 shots, same with zidlicky he played good last night as well. Volchenkov I think is a plug, I've been saying that for years but he ain't going anywheres and there are worse defensemen in the league.


all im saying is when i see comments like merrill=gelinas>fayne>sal>volch>>>>>>zidlicky its just ridiculous

If you honestly think Elias and Henrique played as bad as Sal, Zid, and Volch you probably should get your eyes checked. Sal and Volch can barely skate, cant hit as a result of there horrible skating, and cant move the puck. Zid is a turnover machine and takes a bunch of lazy penalties. It's not unwarranted hatred or scapegoatism. These guys hold the team back with the constant mistakes and (frank) ups game in and game out. Only thing Sal and Volch do is block shots and that's not worth a roster spot.
- NickA

Well I disagree on the salvador front and i'll reserve my judgement and see how he plays this regular season

Ok but you guys overlook mistakes made by guys like merrill and seemingly choose not to see them compared to if zidlicky or salvador make a mistake you guys rip them apart. Again its preseason so there are going to be mistakes by everyone but all you guys can say about salvador from last night is his trip on voracek that ran him into schneider when he actually played good and blocked a 5 shots, same with zidlicky he played good last night as well. Volchenkov I think is a plug, I've been saying that for years but he ain't going anywheres and there are worse defensemen in the league.


all im saying is when i see comments like merrill=gelinas>fayne>sal>volch>>>>>>zidlicky its just ridiculous
- BDizzlez

I thought Merril didn't look half as good last night has he had. As soon as Philly started to throw their weight around he got shy. I think he needs a year in Albany with a few call ups before he is ready. Sal made a great block in a pre season game and as you stated had 5 but the one stood out to me. But on the other hand how many times did he just ice the puck or throw it up to nobody? have you noticed the games when Sal Volch and Fayne are dressed we have a lot more trouble getting the puck out but when Larrson Gelinas Greene Urbom Severson are dressed its out in no time and we are out with the puck on our sticks. Guys like Sal are great for defending in you're Zone but he can't get the puck out without turning it over to the other team or icing it.

I thought Merril didn't look half as good last night has he had. As soon as Philly started to throw their weight around he got shy. I think he needs a year in Albany with a few call ups before he is ready. Sal made a great block in a pre season game and as you stated had 5 but the one stood out to me. But on the other hand how many times did he just ice the puck or throw it up to nobody? have you noticed the games when Sal Volch and Fayne are dressed we have a lot more trouble getting the puck out but when Larrson Gelinas Greene Urbom Severson are dressed its out in no time and we are out with the puck on our sticks. Guys like Sal are great for defending in you're Zone but he can't get the puck out without turning it over to the other team or icing it.
- blizzzard

He's lack of puck moving has only gotten worse. He also doesn't win nearly as many battles in the corners and in front like he use too. All he can do is block shots...

I thought Merril didn't look half as good last night has he had. As soon as Philly started to throw their weight around he got shy. I think he needs a year in Albany with a few call ups before he is ready. Sal made a great block in a pre season game and as you stated had 5 but the one stood out to me. But on the other hand how many times did he just ice the puck or throw it up to nobody? have you noticed the games when Sal Volch and Fayne are dressed we have a lot more trouble getting the puck out but when Larrson Gelinas Greene Urbom Severson are dressed its out in no time and we are out with the puck on our sticks. Guys like Sal are great for defending in you're Zone but he can't get the puck out without turning it over to the other team or icing it.
- blizzzard

You need guys like sal for the PK.
Let me ask you a question, if right now we got rid of all of volchenkov, salvador and zidlicky and urbom, gelinas and merrill all started over harrold would we have a better defense next year? In my opinion no. I do think one of gelinas or urbom could come and play over one of them and it be better but if all 3 were up playing over them it would be bad in my opinion

and again we have to remember its pre season when were watching these rookies vs vets. we beat pretty much philly's starting lineup last night. Do you really think with the squad we put out there we would beat them in the regular season?

He's lack of puck moving has only gotten worse. He also doesn't win nearly as many battles in the corners and in front like he use too. All he can do is block shots...
- NickA

See I don't get why players get raises for one playoff run ( guys like Sal anyways) I mean how many guys have you never heard of or only heard of because he is a plug and they have a good play offs get a giant raise and never play to that level that they where only able to play at for 20 games? like Sal is a 6th defensemen making 3 million, Brian Bickell is a third liner making 3 something (better then a third liner making 5+ cough cough) but still these guys will go on to do very little and others have done the same yet they got paid more then they should because of a 20 game streak where everything went right for them.

You need guys like sal for the PK.
Let me ask you a question, if right now we got rid of all of volchenkov, salvador and zidlicky and urbom, gelinas and merrill all started over harrold would we have a better defense next year? In my opinion no. I do think one of gelinas or urbom could come and play over one of them and it be better but if all 3 were up playing over them it would be bad in my opinion
- BDizzlez

No I don't think so either you can't just throw 3 rookies in an expect big things. You also got to remember Urbom is a shut down guy so is fayne so if we can swap out Gelinas for Zid that would be great even though Zid wont be the guy moved. Gelinas has the better shot the Zid and is far better defensively. Then swap Urbom for Volchenkov which also wont happen because of his ntc and I think we are a better team pairs as we would still have 3 guys who should be able to produce but are not strictly offense as they are more of two way guys and we have three shut down guys In Urbom , Fayne and Sal. If those where the main 6 I think we would do just fine and our back end would be a lot more mobile then it is now.

and again we have to remember its pre season when were watching these rookies vs vets. we beat pretty much philly's starting lineup last night. Do you really think with the squad we put out there we would beat them in the regular season?
- BDizzlez

I think it is kind of moot arguing about this as Lou is more then likely to make a trade after the Brunner signing and there is no way Gelinas not on this team. Merril and Severson will for sure be sent down and likely Urbom. If Larrson steps up this year in the way that the P.k Subbans/ Karlsons/ Peitroangelos have then I think there is a lot less worrying made of our other guys.

You need guys like sal for the PK.
Let me ask you a question, if right now we got rid of all of volchenkov, salvador and zidlicky and urbom, gelinas and merrill all started over harrold would we have a better defense next year? In my opinion no. I do think one of gelinas or urbom could come and play over one of them and it be better but if all 3 were up playing over them it would be bad in my opinion
- BDizzlez

I don't think Merril is ready personally. But throw urbom and Gelinas in there and i do think that defense is better. They at least have the potential to grow and improve. Urbom can easily do what anton and sal do if just given the opportunity. He will probably do the job better as he is 6'5", can skate and can move the puck. Gelinas too but i don't really consider him a defensive dman. He has a cannon to something we could use from the back end.

I think it is kind of moot arguing about this as Lou is more then likely to make a trade after the Brunner signing and there is no way Gelinas not on this team. Merril and Severson will for sure be sent down and likely Urbom. If Larrson steps up this year in the way that the P.k Subbans/ Karlsons/ Peitroangelos have then I think there is a lot less worrying made of our other guys.
- blizzzard

I could see lou keeping urbom ahead of gelinas purely for the waiver factor and because we already have 7 other defencemen up unless he plans on waiving harrold or trading someone else

MY VOTE IS TO DITCH FAYNE AND ZIDLICKY TO BRING IN GELINAS AND URBOM IM FINE WITH SAL AND ANTON

DON'T GET IT TWISTED YA HURD

MY VOTE IS TO DITCH FAYNE AND ZIDLICKY TO BRING IN GELINAS AND URBOM IM FINE WITH SAL AND ANTON

DON'T GET IT TWISTED YA HURD
- shvingter88

We would be down to 1 right handed Dman . Well 2 if you count Harrold.

I don't think Merril is ready personally. But throw urbom and Gelinas in there and i do think that defense is better. They at least have the potential to grow and improve. Urbom can easily do what anton and sal do if just given the opportunity. He will probably do the job better as he is 6'5", can skate and can move the puck. Gelinas too but i don't really consider him a defensive dman. He has a cannon to something we could use from the back end.
- NickA

You know who I would like as a defensive guy back there? It would never happen because they need D and we would be adding another D when we need to get rid of some but I would love Tim Gleason guy can play Defense and he can fight we don't have anyone back there who can fight with Sal having concusiion issues in the past and I don't think A-train could fight to save his life lol

You know who I would like as a defensive guy back there? It would never happen because they need D and we would be adding another D when we need to get rid of some but I would love Tim Gleason guy can play Defense and he can fight we don't have anyone back there who can fight with Sal having concusiion issues in the past and I don't think A-train could fight to save his life lol
- blizzzard

This is so true and i do not get it. The guy is tough as they come but never drops em...He obviously knows he can't fight.

I could see lou keeping urbom ahead of gelinas purely for the waiver factor and because we already have 7 other defencemen up unless he plans on waiving harrold or trading someone else
- BDizzlez

I personally feel out of all the guys who have been competing for spots he has earned one and Lou will likely have to make a move. Urbom has been decent but I wonder if he is a guy who gets moved so there isn't as much of a log jam and after a decent camp where he looks ready to make the jump on a team that has an open spot he could hold some value. Might be better then trying to trade another guy for pennies just to make room.

This is so true and i do not get it. The guy is tough as they come but never drops em...He obviously knows he can't fight.
- NickA

I honestly think Kovy would knock A-train out