Again what is Cowen roll on ottawa

- top shelf 15

Whatever his role is, he hasn't established himself in it. That is the point. So who cares about roles?

Again what is Cowen roll on ottawa

- top shelf 15

What in the (frank) does that matter??

Gardiner has played 3 less games and showed just as much as cowen (in terms of his respective skillset).

90 games is hardly established, and if it is 243 certainly is and 87 is as well.

I could care less ,why dont you read what i wrote on the other post before you label me a sore loser.The leafs have a great team,i said it close between the two teams Leafs have the advantage at forward,goaltending is a draw,sens have the edge at defense.The top 4 in ottawa does appear set,therfore more established in its roll on the team Can the same be said of toronto,s top4 ???
- top shelf 15

No it isnt more established...But i can see why u keep telling ya self that...

Whatever his role is, he hasn't established himself in it. That is the point. So who cares about roles?
- Gunslinger

Leafs top 4 = 1181 NHL games

Sens top 4 = 695 NHL games.


Sens are more established.

Leafs top 4 = 1181 NHL games

Sens top 4 = 695 NHL games.


Sens are more established.


- burn

Yep more established...

The only thing more established is the rock solid goaltending they have gottin from Anderson the past couple seasons....

ya know the guy who bails out the D mistakes and makes them look good....

Leafs top 4 = 1181 NHL games

Sens top 4 = 695 NHL games.


Sens are more established.


- burn

Blam!

Expect some corson and fenway stats any minute now....

Not sure if it's been mentioned, and really who cares, but Orr should be ready to go by this weekend according to D.Shoaltz.

The Leafs have a good team, not a great team. Great teams win Cups.

Toronto's top 4 is as established as Ottawas. We get it, EK is an elite talent, but beyond that Ottawa doesn't have anything more proven or established than Toronto. In fact, one could make the case Toronto's top 4 has far more experience than Ottawas top 4 and have proven more at the NHL level. Its hard to tell which side gets the edge here. Obviously EK tips the scale heavily in Ottawas favour but I would take Franson, Gunnar and Gardiner over Cowen, Weircoch and Methot any day of the week. Even on grupdays and trahdays, and those days don't even exist. Yet.
- Gunslinger

Yes ,but iam looking at in terms of actual defenders,Franson and gardener are pmd both of whom trump easily weircoch.But when you look at the Shutdown defender side of both pairings thing get a bit cloudy,

Ill take JC over gunnerson,just on potential and what we have already seen in our some what limited viewings of him.As far as the top pair nobody would choose Methot over Phaneuf in a straight comparision,but in a shut down roll ,not an offensive one ill take methot

What in the (frank) does that matter??

Gardiner has played 3 less games and showed just as much as cowen (in terms of his respective skillset).

90 games is hardly established, and if it is 243 certainly is and 87 is as well.
- burn

Is cowen more established a shut down defender,than franson or gardener as the pmd,s in the TML top 4??

Yes ,but iam looking at in terms of actual defenders,Franson and gardener are pmd both of whom trump easily weircoch.But when you look at the Shutdown defender side of both pairings thing get a bit cloudy,

Ill take JC over gunnerson,just on potential and what we have already seen in our some what limited viewings of him.As far as the top pair nobody would choose Methot over Phaneuf in a straight comparision,but in a shut down roll ,not an offensive one ill take methot

- top shelf 15

We dont care. Im not even going to read this. You made your point perfectly clear already, and it's about as sharp as a deflated balloon.

We dont care. Im not even going to read this. You made your point perfectly clear already, and it's about as sharp as a deflated balloon.
- Gunslinger

Perhaps one should wake Stee Dot to battle wits with him?

Perhaps one should wake Stee Dot to battle wits with him?
- weirdoh

I would, but the guy sleeping beside him scares me. What if he wakes up too?

Blam!

Expect some corson and fenway stats any minute now....
- Gunslinger

..I think thats his problem...

Not sure if it's been mentioned, and really who cares, but Orr should be ready to go by this weekend according to D.Shoaltz.
- Gunslinger

I care...Orr's services will be required...

Perhaps one should wake Stee Dot to battle wits with him?
- weirdoh

F no dont anyone wake him up....

Is cowen more established a shut down defender,than franson or gardener as the pmd,s in the TML top 4??
- top shelf 15

no.

holy crap!!

I care...Orr's services will be required...
- Fruitcakenipple

I don't recall if it was to practise or to play. Oh well, I hope he's back sooner than later.

Perhaps one should wake Stee Dot to battle wits with him?
- weirdoh

I don't think we could find anyone capable enough for such a battle...... this guy thinks Dion is a shutdown Dman.

Top two shut down defenders are Methot and JC ,Toronto,s are Phaneuf and Gunnerson ,Toronto,s two pmd are Franson and Gardener,where as Ottawa has EK and Weircoch.Three of ottawa top 4 are in their rolls for sure.With weircoch slotting in the 4 pmd roll.So is ottawa not more established in their pairings than Toronto is at this time with Franson still being unsigned and reilly not being ready??
- top shelf 15

Im so bored im about to do a "live draft lobby" fantasy draft.

We should do a Leaf thread fantasy pool? Anyone up for that before the season starts?
- Gunslinger

Yes, send me a PM.

no.

holy crap!!
- burn

So then is cowen not more established in the shutdown roll on his team??Seeing how cowen is a shut down defender and franson and gardener are not .Or maybe you can put two pmd together and form a great pair

So then is cowen not more established in the shutdown roll on his team??Seeing how cowen is a shut down defender and franson and gardener are not .Or maybe you can put two pmd together and form a great pair

- top shelf 15

It's time for u to give it up..I'm starting to feel bad for ya...

Yep more established...

The only thing more established is the rock solid goaltending they have gottin from Anderson the past couple seasons....

ya know the guy who bails out the D mistakes and makes them look good....
- Fruitcakenipple

It wasn't always that way for Anderson, but he's certainly a keeper now.

It's time for u to give it up..I'm starting to feel bad for ya...
- Fruitcakenipple

For what??i get snickered at for saying ottawa has the more established top 4 in terms of roles on the team.Whereas Toronto has a mixed bag of pmd and two way defenders in theirs

It wasn't always that way for Anderson, but he's certainly a keeper now.
- The Shrike

Having a pretty deep blueline helps

So then is cowen not more established in the shutdown roll on his team??Seeing how cowen is a shut down defender and franson and gardener are not .Or maybe you can put two pmd together and form a great pair

- top shelf 15

What the (frank) does that have to do with anything.


Cowen is a shutdown guy and thus more established because Gardiner and Franson aren't?? WTF is with you. Do you even have a clue what the (frank) you are talking about?


This is (frank)ing hilarious.



Oh, and Gardiner and Franson did play together in the playoffs and they played well.