ya but Gardiner is better offensively, and Ranger will insulate him. Gardiner will get more minutes than Liles, I'd bank on it.

plus I think they are more comfortable with Liles playing out of position rather than Gardiner... (so I should have had that Fraser-Liles, with Liles on RD)
- Big_Lightnin

Im jelly, will you insulate me?

06' huh?

sadly i wasnt taken in the 95 draft lol
- Dozzer

check out what I just dug up on facebook lol...I was meant to write for the Leafs/Flames

As per Dreger: Raymond is Leafs property until end of Sept and could then sign with anyone he chooses, at well over $1M
- Colin Dambrauskas

Hope he sticks around for ~750K. Wouldn't hold it against him if he took a bigger contract somewhere else. Dreger also said he recieved an offer for well above what the Leafs can pay him before he signed the PTO, he declined.

ya but Gardiner is better offensively, and Ranger will insulate him. Gardiner will get more minutes than Liles, I'd bank on it.

plus I think they are more comfortable with Liles playing out of position rather than Gardiner... (so I should have had that Fraser-Liles, with Liles on RD)
- Big_Lightnin

thats the thing.

carlyle remember.. defense first

he wont bump a d-man up in the rotation for offensive skills.. gards will get PP time but I really dont know.. carlyle never seems to be too impressed with him

where did I read something about Nonis and Raymond already have a deal in place at $950k contingent on whether Carlyle says he makes the team...
- Big_Lightnin

SEVERAL rumours were saying this over twitter, but nothing confirmed.

check out what I just dug up on facebook lol...I was meant to write for the Leafs/Flames
- Colin Dambrauskas

i love how the name completely clashes with the uni

yeah..maybe..I don't have your crystal ball.

They only made it once since he's been here.

I'm not the only fan that thinks he is way overrated...sure he sucks up lots of minutes..he gets beat like a rented mule lots too!!!!

I would only replace him if Ranger/Franson/Gunner/Gardiner pick up their games, but I wouldn't give him a raise or sign him long term but hey...I know you like him and it's ok to disagree!!!!
- Garnie

It's not that... it's that he's the best they've got.

I would love to upgrade on Dion, but finding somebody better than him is pretty hard, and acquiring them is even harder.

He's a mile better than anybody else on the team. Finding a partner who can take the pressure off of him is far easier than replacing him.

thats the thing.

carlyle remember.. defense first

he wont bump a d-man up in the rotation for offensive skills.. gards will get PP time but I really dont know.. carlyle never seems to be too impressed with him
- Dozzer

He played top 4 minutes, and by that I mean more than Franson, in damn near all his games last year.

only 4 of the 12 under 20 mins, and 2 of those were 19+. WAY over 20 mins per in playoffs.

5 on 5 he had more than Franson in like 10 of the 12

i love how the name completely clashes with the uni
- Dozzer

Or how it almost goes around my entire body!


love that my dad bought me a matching helmet and gloves, that thing was the greatest!!

He played top 4 minutes, and by that I mean more than Franson, in damn near all his games last year.

only 4 of the 12 under 20 mins, and 2 of those were 19+. WAY over 20 mins per in playoffs.
- Big_Lightnin

i realize this

but franson is even worse defensively

Or how it almost goes around my entire body!


love that my dad bought me a matching helmet too, that thing was the greatest!!
- Colin Dambrauskas

is it blue in the back?

is it blue in the back?
- Dozzer

yeah

06' huh?

sadly i wasnt taken in the 95 draft lol
- Dozzer

They're now drafting guys born in 95. how old do we feel?

i realize this

but franson is even worse defensively
- Dozzer

Liles was also the one who came out of the lineup to put Gardiner in

They're now drafting guys born in 95. how old do we feel?
- burn

yeah
- Colin Dambrauskas

They're now drafting guys born in 95. how old do we feel?
- burn

wise i keep saying the word is wise .. not old

Liles was also the one who came out of the lineup to put Gardiner in
- Big_Lightnin

this is the best disagreement ever

fine you win.. i cant do this anymore lol

It's not that... it's that he's the best they've got.

I would love to upgrade on Dion, but finding somebody better than him is pretty hard, and acquiring them is even harder.

He's a mile better than anybody else on the team. Finding a partner who can take the pressure off of him is far easier than replacing him.
- Big_Lightnin

He's not miles better, but I will agree he is the best we have. But expect to be coming in around the 8th - 9th spot with him as our best. I believe if Franson is signed and Gardiner another year older and Fraser having some confidence and Ranger back playing full time...Phaneuf will NOT be our best by the end of the year, and the leafs will finish 4th - 6th

I hope we get Raymond signed, and even with McClement there if we don't, we could have a dangerous 3rd line just based on the fact that they're all on contract years lol

It seems like Colborne is taking some heat to make the team but I like McClement on the 4th line LW with Colborne and Orr. If were playing a tough team, we can sit Colborne for McLaren and move McClement to centre.

The depth that Raymond would bring just filters down the lineup, with him, McClement and Colborne all able to step in higher in the lineup if there's injuries.

i realize this

but franson is even worse defensively
- Dozzer

than Gardiner?

You should quit watching if you think that

I hope we get Raymond signed, and even with McClement there if we don't, we could have a dangerous 3rd line just based on the fact that they're all on contract years lol

It seems like Colborne is taking some heat to make the team but I like McClement on the 4th line LW with Colborne and Orr. If were playing a tough team, we can sit Colborne for McLaren and move McClement to centre.

The depth that Raymond would bring just filters down the lineup, with him, McClement and Colborne all able to step in higher in the lineup if there's injuries.
- t_leafs21

Colborne hasn't really shined anytime I've seen him..he can stay or go

I hope we get Raymond signed, and even with McClement there if we don't, we could have a dangerous 3rd line just based on the fact that they're all on contract years lol

It seems like Colborne is taking some heat to make the team but I like McClement on the 4th line LW with Colborne and Orr. If were playing a tough team, we can sit Colborne for McLaren and move McClement to centre.

The depth that Raymond would bring just filters down the lineup, with him, McClement and Colborne all able to step in higher in the lineup if there's injuries.
- t_leafs21

I'm probably out on an island by myself but I haven't liked what I've seen from Raymond. It's early though.

And some quiet time on an island actually sounds good right now.

than Gardiner?

You should quit watching if you think that
- Garnie

i have no idea how you guys miss franson's brutal D

i have no idea how you guys miss franson's brutal D
- Dozzer

too busy watching grabbo's giveaways