Sorry your right..How long till the Sedin's request a trade now that they actually have to play defense.
- crazywolf

bringing Tortarella was dumb move by the Canucks ... with the Sedins on the verge of needing new contracts.

I would suspect, by the half-way mark of the year, there will have been at least public "hanging" of a marquee player and should the Canucks not fair as well as their fans believe they will... Lotus land might not be happy land.

Just curious if Oilers fans think RNH can score more than 5 goals this coming season. Vegas has the over/under at 6.5 goals for him.
- woopstash

His first season he took 135 shots in 60ish games. Lets say he plays that many again. And lets say that he only shoots his avg of 10%(he shot a 13% in year one and 5% last year). This leads me to believe that he will score about 13 goals.

Thus your best bet is to take the over.

So the Oilers locking up their 1st overall pick... A centerman whome they consider a franchise cornerstone...is one of the worst things ever to happen to the Oilers. They are now doomed.


I'm freaking out. This is horrible. Just horrible
- robin_steele264

I'm genuinely surprised that so many seem to think this is a "bad contract". Edmonton has had a little bit of a history of difficulty landing high priced Free Agents, and now they simply go out and sign one of their own, to what will be a CAP friendly deal for long term. Lock up the core, make adjustments to the supporting cast... seems to make sense to me.

I would guess that Kadri would have gotten a Cody Hodgson type deal had the Leafs not been in the CAP crunch they are.

These deals make sense, particularly as these young players starting entering their peak years.

Way too lazy to post the entire list but the oilers are 11th in the league for paying their top 3 guys. San jose, Washington, carolina, minnie. All above them.

Not saying its a horrible contract but its going to be hard for the Oil to build a complete team with 4 guys making 6M a season and then have to worry when Schultz/Dubnyk need ext as well as filling out the rest of the team!

Only time will tell but Nuge certainly hasd the tools to be an awesome player and great centre Adam Oates-esque
- MrBeanTown

You do realize it was a whopping 2.75M raise right?

You also get that Yak will probably get the same money and it will be the same type of raise...with Hemsky's 5M coming off the books.

J. Schultz will probably get slightly less, maybe a 1.75 raise. At most. He needs to work on his Dgame.

Dubey probably gets 1-1.5M raise.

N.Schultz coming off (4M)

Cap going up. There is not that much of an issue for salary with the Oilers.

So much Derp coming from the window lickers this thread.

Sarfordson would have lost his mind here.

So much Derp coming from the window lickers this thread.

Sarfordson would have lost his mind here.
- OilHorse

^

Not saying its a horrible contract but its going to be hard for the Oil to build a complete team with 4 guys making 6M a season and then have to worry when Schultz/Dubnyk need ext as well as filling out the rest of the team!

Only time will tell but Nuge certainly hasd the tools to be an awesome player and great centre Adam Oates-esque
- MrBeanTown

they need good drafting like the hawks. having a few players outperforming their entry level deals on the roster is key nowadays and is how the hawks stay competitive even with a ton of their money locked up.

Now,
I have read all the Oilers Fans arguements defending this signing and there are some legit arguements... like the Ladeskog signing. Ok... I get it. Ladeskog though is the team captain... albeit very young and still has something to prove. A bit of a risk imo.

RNH is not going to be the captain (it will be Hall imo) and has not showed to be an elite at the NHL level yet. On top of this, he's injury prone. If he was the only young player getting big money on this team then its not a big deal but you already have Hall and Eberle making what? 6M per year?
I really like these players but it's a big commitment to a core of players that haven't proven that they can WIN in this league.

So what money is left for Yakapov, Shultz and Nurse? Lets say they all get signed.... Ok, what about the rest of the team? Maybe add a vet Dman? How about a goalie? 6-7 guys are not going to win you a cup and lets face it... their isn't much in the cupboards in regards to bluechip prospects besides Nurse.

I just think MacT is taking a huge risk right now and if things don't go PERFECTLY, the team could be handcuffed in the future. MacT couldn't even move Hemsky... I really don't think he'll be able to clean this up if it becomes a disaster.

Either way... good luck guys. I hope the Oil proves a lot of people wrong this season.

I expect them to finish higher than the Habs!

You do realize it was a whopping 2.75M raise right?

You also get that Yak will probably get the same money and it will be the same type of raise...with Hemsky's 5M coming off the books.

J. Schultz will probably get slightly less, maybe a 1.75 raise. At most. He needs to work on his Dgame.

Dubey probably gets 1-1.5M raise.

N.Schultz coming off (4M)

Cap going up. There is not that much of an issue for salary with the Oilers.
- OilHorse

hey I wasn't bashing, i see my Bruins in a similar situation, they had to mega pay Seguin, Bergy, Lucic, Marchand, Rask and they still ahve to do Seidenberg and they have a 7M Chara on board, thus a big reason they had to deal Seguin, Cap Crunch was painful. They are just lucky they have a great bottom 6 that is paid at a good contract value, the Oil will need to find a similar situation!

hey I wasn't bashing, i see my Bruins in a similar situation, they had to mega pay Seguin, Bergy, Lucic, Marchand, Rask and they still ahve to do Seidenberg and they have a 7M Chara on board, thus a big reason they had to deal Seguin, Cap Crunch was painful. They are just lucky they have a great bottom 6 that is paid at a good contract value, the Oil will need to find a similar situation!
- MrBeanTown

need to make sure that you understand that the raises these kids are getting are not a pile of additional money because they are 1st over all picks and start with large contacts.

With all factors involved there is no real cap crunch here yet... and if the comes one the team will deal with that then.

Now,
I have read all the Oilers Fans arguements defending this signing and there are some legit arguements... like the Ladeskog signing. Ok... I get it. Ladeskog though is the team captain... albeit very young and still has something to prove. A bit of a risk imo.

RNH is not going to be the captain (it will be Hall imo) and has not showed to be an elite at the NHL level yet. On top of this, he's injury prone. If he was the only young player getting big money on this team then its not a big deal but you already have Hall and Eberle making what? 6M per year?
I really like these players but it's a big commitment to a core of players that haven't proven that they can WIN in this league.

So what money is left for Yakapov, Shultz and Nurse? Lets say they all get signed.... Ok, what about the rest of the team? Maybe add a vet Dman? How about a goalie? 6-7 guys are not going to win you a cup and lets face it... their isn't much in the cupboards in regards to bluechip prospects besides Nurse.

I just think MacT is taking a huge risk right now and if things don't go PERFECTLY, the team could be handcuffed in the future. MacT couldn't even move Hemsky... I really don't think he'll be able to clean this up if it becomes a disaster.

Either way... good luck guys. I hope the Oil proves a lot of people wrong this season.

I expect them to finish higher than the Habs!


- Captain_Quiffe

Next years cap should be close to 71m, and 80m in 2-3 years, there's lots of wiggle room, just not this year.

Now,
I have read all the Oilers Fans arguements defending this signing and there are some legit arguements... like the Ladeskog signing. Ok... I get it. Ladeskog though is the team captain... albeit very young and still has something to prove. A bit of a risk imo.

RNH is not going to be the captain (it will be Hall imo) and has not showed to be an elite at the NHL level yet. On top of this, he's injury prone. If he was the only young player getting big money on this team then its not a big deal but you already have Hall and Eberle making what? 6M per year?
I really like these players but it's a big commitment to a core of players that haven't proven that they can WIN in this league.

So what money is left for Yakapov, Shultz and Nurse? Lets say they all get signed.... Ok, what about the rest of the team? Maybe add a vet Dman? How about a goalie? 6-7 guys are not going to win you a cup and lets face it... their isn't much in the cupboards in regards to bluechip prospects besides Nurse.

I just think MacT is taking a huge risk right now and if things don't go PERFECTLY, the team could be handcuffed in the future. MacT couldn't even move Hemsky... I really don't think he'll be able to clean this up if it becomes a disaster.

Either way... good luck guys. I hope the Oil proves a lot of people wrong this season.

I expect them to finish higher than the Habs!


- Captain_Quiffe

He isn't injury prone. He had an injury that he needed to get fixed.

As for the captain thing, I really see what that has to do with the contract.

hey I wasn't bashing, i see my Bruins in a similar situation, they had to mega pay Seguin, Bergy, Lucic, Marchand, Rask and they still ahve to do Seidenberg and they have a 7M Chara on board, thus a big reason they had to deal Seguin, Cap Crunch was painful. They are just lucky they have a great bottom 6 that is paid at a good contract value, the Oil will need to find a similar situation!
- MrBeanTown

Our real next step is finding that #1 d-man. Nothing against your bottom 6, but you take Chara out of the Bruins the past 5 years and Boston looks like a totally different club. You guys also did real well with goaltending.

He isn't injury prone. He had an injury that he needed to get fixed.

As for the captain thing, I really see what that has to do with the contract.
- Lahey

The contract thing is more a reflection on a teams long term commitment. WIth EDM you have multiple players on these long term commitments with more possibly to come. I always believed llong term contracts should be handed out to:
Captain
Best Forward
Best Defenseman
Goalie
(in most cases anyway to properly build a core)

With EDM, they signed 3 forwards already to longterm pricey contracts.

I'm not saying it's a bad signing... just a little risky... but whatever.

This is (another) great contract sigining for the Oil and anyone who doesn't get it is a hater, a moron or a douche.

edit: maybe all 3 in some "special" circumstances

He isn't injury prone. He had an injury that he needed to get fixed.

As for the captain thing, I really see what that has to do with the contract.
- Lahey

You're right... Injury prone is a little harsh. I would put Hemsky in that category.

He isn't injury prone. He had an injury that he needed to get fixed.

As for the captain thing, I really see what that has to do with the contract.
- Lahey

funny how people consider a player been in the league only two seasons "injury-prone".

You're right... Injury prone is a little harsh. I would put Hemsky in that category.
- Captain_Quiffe

I understand why people call him that, but it's just wrong. I said yesterday that the guy had an injury that should've been fixed in junior but refused to because he didn't want to risk falling in the draft. He even waited once he was a pro.

Now if the guy goes out this year injuries the other shoulder and then next year injuries his knee, call him injury prone.

The contract thing is more a reflection on a teams long term commitment. WIth EDM you have multiple players on these long term commitments with more possibly to come. I always believed llong term contracts should be handed out to:
Captain
Best Forward
Best Defenseman
Goalie
(in most cases anyway to properly build a core)

With EDM, they signed 3 forwards already to longterm pricey contracts.

I'm not saying it's a bad signing... just a little risky... but whatever.
- Captain_Quiffe

It's not that I disagree, but when you draft 3x at #1 it changes your contract structure. Plus we don't have a goalie to sign long-term, which can allow you to sign another guy long-term elsewhere. I'm kinda against goalies long-term except for the few elite goalies. Good goalies are bi-polar. Good one year, bad the next.

As I see it we have not choice to sign Hall long term. RNH is our best center now and going forward, so he gets locked up. Eberle I still wished we would've waited on. Yak, I think might be better than Hall, so again I'd give him a long-term. Schultz, I wouldn't lock up to anything more than 4 years unless his defense drastically improves. Otherwise give him 4years x 4-5mil when his contract is coming close to an end.

This is (another) great contract sigining for the Oil and anyone who doesn't get it is a hater, a moron or a douche.

edit: maybe all 3 in some "special" circumstances
- BigDre

I thought you type circumcision at first.

This is (another) great contract sigining for the Oil and anyone who doesn't get it is a hater, a moron or a douche.

edit: maybe all 3 in some "special" circumstances
- BigDre

Good signing for the Oil. Locks the core up and there was no way he'd be offered much less than Hall or Ebs...

Based on last year, I think the contract is a leap of faith.

The guy to me is not a proven #1 centre. Could be, probably will be, but geez, it's a gamble

funny how people consider a player been in the league only two seasons "injury-prone".
- deks1

we get that with Baertschi and he hasn't played a full season...

we get that with Baertschi and he hasn't played a full season...
- geta02it

Has he even been hurt or just in the AHL