Fair enough. Giroux's cap hit goes up almost 5 million next year. There goes the money saved by losing Meszaros.

What if neither goaltender pans out this year? Where will all the money come from to replace Timonen?
- PLindbergh31

If both goalies fall through Holmgoblin is gonna go after Lundquist...

I think the better question is "What if one of the goalies plays to Vezina-caliber?" We have some $$ coming off the books, but we also have some raises coming up, and our goalie could look for Bob-type money/term.
- jmatchett383

That's the thing. Either way, the Flyers aren't getting a goalie duo next year for 3 million bucks. If either Mason or Emery play very well they will be looking for significant raises, and if they both play poorly, the Flyers will be in the market for a big ticket goaltender.

We shall see. If the goaltenders don't pan out, the Flyers are going to be in bad shape.
- PLindbergh31

I'm already expecting they'll need to get a lot out of their wealth of offensive talent to balance out the goaltending.

In reference to freeing up more cap space for the trade deadline. Wouldn't it be better to just keep Grossmann and Mez instead of freeing up cap space so the Flyers can try to acquire a defenseman at the TDL like Mez or Grossmann! I can guarantee you that the price for defenseman at the TDL will be much higher than right now for Mez or Grossmann.

The money does allow you to pursue a better player than those two, if available, but how often have top pairing dmen been available at the deadline? It also gives you the opportunity to add to the forwards if need be, but most of the time the Flyers are shopping for dmen at the deadline.

I just don't see the point in trading one just to get more money for the TDL. I'd rather just keep them all. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to give Kimmo a night off on back to backs once in a while.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well what if you want to add someone that is in the last year of a deal. There are some really good UFA's out there. Extra space now, can go a long way to fitting one of these guys at the deadline.

Heatley
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Lundquist
Boyle
Phaneuf
Miller
the Sedins
Kessel
Hiller
Callahan

If both goalies fall through Holmgoblin is gonna go after Lundquist...

- FlyersGrace

We all wish. I would be shocked if the Rags don't lock him up. Lundqvist loves NYC.

I'm a lot less worried about paying for it than I am about finding it.
- mayorofangrytown

This is obviously a major tenant in MOAT's life.

I'm already expecting they'll need to get a lot out of their wealth of offensive talent to balance out the goaltending.
- BulliesPhan87

That was my original point. The Flyers have a lot of forwards i.e. Read, Schenn, Giroux currently at bargain cap hits, once they go up, money is going to be tight.

We all wish. I would be shocked if the Rags don't lock him up. Lundqvist loves NYC.
- PLindbergh31

Yeah I know. I think Torts is gone because of Lundquist...

That was my original point. The Flyers have a lot of forwards i.e. Read, Schenn, Giroux currently at bargain cap hits, once they go up, money is going to be tight.
- PLindbergh31

We are always right at the cap every year. And I'm ok with that. They make things work. And yeah every once and awhile they have to let go a player I really like. It sucks but I'd rather a GM with the thumbs up to be aggressive than one who is hog tied by finances... Much better the cap limiting Homer than the owner.

Duct tape is somewhat sturdy. Dental floss is more like it.
- PLindbergh31

Can we settle on electrical tape? It has a lot of stretch to it...

Yeah I know. I think Torts is gone because of Lundquist...
- FlyersGrace

I think coaches with the personality of Tortorella have relatively short shelf lives. His abrasiveness after a while wears thin on everyone.

Fair enough. Giroux's cap hit goes up almost 5 million next year. There goes the money saved by losing Meszaros.

What if neither goaltender pans out this year? Where will all the money come from to replace Timonen?
- PLindbergh31

How about something scarier... What is Mason finds his game and wins the Vesina, and is now UFA......

How about something scarier... What is Mason finds his game and wins the Vesina, and is now UFA......
- youarewrong

Meh I'd be ok with that. It wouldn't scare me. Sure he'd want a raise but at the same time if we could settle into a full time goalie an end our current curse I'd be happy. I think he'd shop around but I also think he'd give serious consieration to staying. We did give him that break.

We are always right at the cap every year. And I'm ok with that. They make things work. And yeah every once and awhile they have to let go a player I really like. It sucks but I'd rather a GM with the thumbs up to be aggressive than one who is hog tied by finances... Much better the cap limiting Homer than the owner.
- FlyersGrace

I'm with you. Flyers being unable to win a Cup when there was no salary cap was really a missed opportunity. Free spending clubs when money is spent wisely always should have an advantage over small market teams. With the Cap in place now, there is a more level playing field. Which is for the best interest of the sport.

That was my original point. The Flyers have a lot of forwards i.e. Read, Schenn, Giroux currently at bargain cap hits, once they go up, money is going to be tight.
- PLindbergh31

I gotcha, just clarifying I'm not supremely confident in the goaltending either. I'm not terribly worried about the raises on offense, there's some time and a number of big dates on the calendar for player transaction between then and now. Knowing this team, things will happen on each occasion.

Isn't the acquired player's cap cost pro-rated? Or am I to understand you have to account for their cap cost for the portion of the season prior to acquiring them?

EDIT: I hate the salary cap.
- BulliesPhan87

Yes, the players Cap hit is pro rated. Doesn't change how LTIR Cap space works.

How about something scarier... What is Mason finds his game and wins the Vesina, and is now UFA......
- youarewrong

That's not scary. I would sign on right now for that scenario. It's highly unlikely.

I gotcha, just clarifying I'm not supremely confident in the goaltending either. I'm not terribly worried about the raises on offense, there's some time and a number of big dates on the calendar for player transaction between then and now. Knowing this team, things will happen on each occasion.
- BulliesPhan87

Yup. Agreed. Hopefully things work themselves out.

We all wish. I would be shocked if the Rags don't lock him up. Lundqvist loves NYC.
- PLindbergh31

He does, but there are already rumors that he is looking to go else where and they may be looking to trade him....

Besides, he can go to 2 other teams and still stay in New York....

But I have a Rags fan that said while he would like Hank to end career as a Ranger, he thinks the goalie is starting to lose his touch a bit. Doesnt want to have a large or long contract.

Yes, the players Cap hit is pro rated. Doesn't change how LTIR Cap space works.
- MJL

I don't understand how scenario A is false, then. I'm not saying they can bank LTIR to get that player in that scenario. He would fit snuggly in the LTIR exception, no? The prorated cap cost would fit with the remaining LTIR, right?

He does, but there are already rumors that he is looking to go else where and they may be looking to trade him....

Besides, he can go to 2 other teams and still stay in New York....

But I have a Rags fan that said while he would like Hank to end career as a Ranger, he thinks the goalie is starting to lose his touch a bit. Doesnt want to have a large or long contract.
- youarewrong

He will turn 32 during the season. I would be a little concerned signing him to a deal of more than 5 years.

Well what if you want to add someone that is in the last year of a deal. There are some really good UFA's out there. Extra space now, can go a long way to fitting one of these guys at the deadline.

Heatley
Gaborik
Vanek
Thornton
Marleau
Lundquist
Boyle
Phaneuf
Miller
the Sedins
Kessel
Hiller
Callahan
- youarewrong

Well, they'd only be responsible for 20.103% of their cap hit at the TDL. So even a player making $8M would only cost them $1.6M. Shouldn't be too hard.

This is obviously a major tenant in MOAT's life.
- FlyersGrace

It's hard to find the things you really want. When you do, you commit to them.


It's like the last pudding cup in the cafeteria lunch line.

That's not scary. I would sign on right now for that scenario. It's highly unlikely.
- PLindbergh31

It will be when you think about all the raises your giving players next season. Not to mention that you really will need to get a number 1 defenseman somehow and they aren't cheap. I mean once Timonen retires, who is number 1? Coburn? You really cant even call Timonen a number 1 at this point of his career.

Well, they'd only be responsible for 20.103% of their cap hit at the TDL. So even a player making $8M would only cost them $1.6M. Shouldn't be too hard.
- jmatchett383

So like, around 20%?