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- VANTEL

Hawaiians too. Something to do with americans stationed during the 2nd world war. Local populations adopted the GI food

I don't think any of the "young" players are ready to make the jump, and I'm ok with that. As much as fans want the team to "get younger", I think the younger happened already, and will happen again next year.
- 1970vintage

I honestly don't think we're an old team. "Getting younger" is a bit of a misnomer from what I've been reading on these forums. I don't think anyone is advocating to inject a bunch of 18 year olds into the line-up just for the sake of it so much as changing faces on the team to upgrade the product.

I couldn't give a flying frog's @ss for losing in the 1st round with a team half full of rookies over a team full of vets. I want to win now. Get it done Torts!

I honestly don't think we're an old team. "Getting younger" is a bit of a misnomer from what I've been reading on these forums. I don't think anyone is advocating to inject a bunch of 18 year olds into the line-up just for the sake of it so much as changing faces on the team to upgrade the product.

I couldn't give a flying frog's @ss for losing in the 1st round with a team half full of rookies over a team full of vets. I want to win now. Get it done Torts!
- AlexF

I think you are setting yourself up for a big disappointment.

I think you are setting yourself up for a big disappointment.
- bloatedmosquito

It's the beer talking. My expectations are well and lowly if you ask me again in the morning.

The comparison was between Fosco and the Hawk guy. One mentioned Jensen as 'the most ready NHLer out of the bunch' and the other stated Jensen as 'not even close to being ready'.
- bloatedmosquito

I believe that Fosco's suggestion was that Jensen was the prospect doing the most NHL-level 'little things' that often go unnoticed, and that a good amount of the 'flash' shown by the other key prospects would be unlikely to have the same effect against NHL-level opposition. My counter-suggestion is that doing nothing but making simple plays and dump-ins is what you expect of a disposable 4th liner, not a 1st round drafted scoring forward who's already got experience under his belt from three different professional leagues.

As such, I stand by my opinion that Jensen's value to the team will only really manifest when he's ready to play effectively in a top-6 scoring line role - which he doesn't seem ready to do with any kind of degree of consistency or effectiveness at this point. To my mind, a full year of development on the top-line and power play unit of an AHL team would be far more beneficial to his long-term development than cramming him into a random depth role at the NHL level. Putting these two points together, the good news is that he already has a fairly well-developed sense of the two-way expectations of the professional game, which will only help his eventual transition to the NHL.

I believe that Fosco's suggestion was that Jensen was the prospect doing the most NHL-level 'little things' that often go unnoticed, and that a good amount of the 'flash' shown by the other key prospects would be unlikely to have the same effect against NHL-level opposition. My counter-suggestion is that doing nothing but making simple plays and dump-ins is what you expect of a disposable 4th liner, not a 1st round drafted scoring forward who's already got experience under his belt from three different professional leagues.

As such, I stand by my opinion that Jensen's value to the team will only really manifest when he's ready to play effectively in a top-6 scoring line role - which he doesn't seem ready to do with any kind of degree of consistency or effectiveness at this point. To my mind, a full year of development on the top-line and power play unit of an AHL team would be far more beneficial to his long-term development than cramming him into a random depth role at the NHL level. Putting these two points together, the good news is that he already has a fairly well-developed sense of the two-way expectations of the professional game, which will only help his eventual transition to the NHL.
- khawk

Eloquent

Why does most fan bases think that Canucks won all games against northwest division and lost against everyone else??

Every blog consists of the same poop, Canucks will not be able to handle teams outside of the poop NW division

I would take Burrows over Kesler 100 out of 100 times.
- 1970vintage

Now that we have the battle of the bloggers ,would it be too much to expect our daily blogs at 6 AM with our coffee dammit?

Hawaiians too. Something to do with americans stationed during the 2nd world war. Local populations adopted the GI food
- bloatedmosquito

Good thing the Scotts were not stationed there,then. We would be having Hagus every night.

Why does most fan bases think that Canucks won all games against northwest division and lost against everyone else??
- kneughter

This impression is based on the fact that the Northwest Division has been demonstrably less competitive than the rest of the Western Conference over the past three seasons - which includes both years that the Canucks won the President's Trophy.

2012/13
Central Divison - 4 teams with 50pts+
Pacific Division - 4 teams with 50pts+
Northwest Division - 2 teams with 50pts+

2011/12
Central Division - 4 teams with 95pts+
Pacific Division - 3 teams with 95pts+
Northwest Division - 1 team with 95pts+

2010/11
Central Division - 3 teams with 95pts+
Pacific Division - 5 teams with 95pts+
Northwest Division - 1 team with 95pts+

Until the divisional realignment, the proportion of games played within the division was nearly 30%, and during the shortened season this proportion was even higher to due to elimination of cross-conference play. It only stands to reason that if your team is playing a greater proportion of its games against less competitive opponents, then you will likely have inflated point totals - and if your team starts playing a greater proportion of its games against more competitive opponents, you will likely have deflated point totals.

This impression is based on the fact that the Northwest Division has been demonstrably less competitive than the rest of the Western Conference over the past three seasons - which includes both years that the Canucks won the President's Trophy.

2012/13
Central Divison - 4 teams with 50pts+
Pacific Division - 4 teams with 50pts+
Northwest Division - 2 teams with 50pts+

2011/12
Central Division - 4 teams with 95pts+
Pacific Division - 3 teams with 95pts+
Northwest Division - 1 team with 95pts+

2010/11
Central Division - 3 teams with 95pts+
Pacific Division - 5 teams with 95pts+
Northwest Division - 1 team with 95pts+

Until the divisional realignment, the proportion of games played within the division was nearly 30%, and during the shortened season this proportion was even higher to due to elimination of cross-conference play. It only stands to reason that if your team is playing a greater proportion of its games against less competitive opponents, then you will likely have inflated point totals - and if your team starts playing a greater proportion of its games against more competitive opponents, you will likely have deflated point totals.
- khawk

You've only done half the work here though. Compile the statistics that show results for the Canucks versus division opponents compared to versus non-division opponents over the past three season. If the results show that a greater number of games versus these (previous) non-divisional opponents would have "likely" lead to fewer points you back up your argument, but if the Canucks were as good or better versus these (previous) non-divisional opponents then it is just as likely that they would have had as good or better results those seasons. It could be possible that the NW division was so bad because all those teams had to play against the Canucks so often...

You've only done half the work here though. Compile the statistics that show results for the Canucks versus division opponents compared to versus non-division opponents over the past three season. If the results show that a greater number of games versus these (previous) non-divisional opponents would have "likely" lead to fewer points you back up your argument, but if the Canucks were as good or better versus these (previous) non-divisional opponents then it is just as likely that they would have had as good or better results those seasons. It could be possible that the NW division was so bad because all those teams had to play against the Canucks so often...
- 1970vintage

You really don't need to get too far into the numbers to ascertain that playing more games against non-playoff teams will probably be a net benefit... but in the interest of beating this thing to death, here are the Canucks' record against the Northwest Division, the rest of the Western Conference, and the Eastern Conference for the past 3 seasons.

2010/11
vs. Northwest Division (18-4-2), 1.58PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (25-10-5), 1.38PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (11-5-2), 1.33PPG

2011/12
vs. Northwest Division (18-5-1), 1.54PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (22-11-7), 1.28PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (11-6-1), 1.28PPG

2012/13
vs. Northwest Division (11-6-1), 1.28PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (15-9-6), 1.20PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (0-0-0)

Seems pretty consistent to me - now factor in that the Canucks actually had a losing record against last year's Pacific Division (who now make up the majority of their new Divisional rivals), and I think there's quite a bit of compelling evidence to suggest that this re-alignment could be a challenging one for the Canucks.

You really don't need to get too far into the numbers to ascertain that playing more games against non-playoff teams will probably be a net benefit... but in the interest of beating this thing to death, here are the Canucks' record against the Northwest Division, the rest of the Western Conference, and the Eastern Conference for the past 3 seasons.

2010/11
vs. Northwest Division (18-4-2), 1.58PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (25-10-5), 1.38PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (11-5-2), 1.33PPG

2011/12
vs. Northwest Division (18-5-1), 1.54PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (22-11-7), 1.28PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (11-6-1), 1.28PPG

2012/13
vs. Northwest Division (11-6-1), 1.28PPG
vs. Rest of Confrence (15-9-6), 1.20PPG
vs. Eastern Conference (0-0-0)

Seems pretty consistent to me - now factor in that the Canucks actually had a losing record against last year's Pacific Division (who now make up the majority of their new Divisional rivals), and I think there's quite a bit of compelling evidence to suggest that this re-alignment could be a challenging one for the Canucks.
- khawk

Nice work, that's what I'm talking about

For the record, I agree, weak division made the team appear better than they were, which in hindsight says a lot about the past two playoff performances.

Why is there no mention of Henrik Tommernes? He had assists on both goals against the Sharks, and has been playing exceptionally well in training camp.I think he might make the team over Corrado.