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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 17 @ 2:43 PM ET
I think Holmgren was asked this at the Town Hall Meeting and said he had no games since he played 5 last year (pro-rated tryout games per the lockout). I could be wrong though.
- jmatchett383

I see.

Well that's annoying and also pretty stupid. He gets 5 games but everyone else gets 9? So everyone in Laughton's boat gets the poop end of that stick, thanks to that frustratingly asinine lockout....
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 17 @ 2:43 PM ET
I think Holmgren was asked this at the Town Hall Meeting and said he had no games since he played 5 last year (pro-rated tryout games per the lockout). I could be wrong though.
- jmatchett383

that's how I heard it
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Sep 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
Yep, there's too much anger and not enough crazy on the thread these days. Crims is a rare breath of fresh air although his entertainment value is low here in comparison to real life. He can bring the crazy in real life.
- mayorofangrytown

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
happy 5-year anniversary of the day Mike Richards was named captain of the Flyers
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
I see.

Well that's annoying and also pretty stupid. He gets 5 games but everyone else gets 9? So everyone in Laughton's boat gets the poop end of that stick, thanks to that frustratingly asinine lockout....

- Giroux_Is_God


Pretty much.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
Roninn
- jmatchett383

ftfy
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
ftfy
- BulliesPhan87

Nice. Looks better than my fix:

Disgracedd Samuraii
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:47 PM ET
Pretty astute point.

Justin Bourne (ex-pro) described encountering this particular phenomenon during his time in pro training camps... the high draft picks are paraded down the primrose path, given all the breaks, advantages and time/attention from coaches/management. Lower-round picks and undrafted players can expect a much steeper climb, and most never even get a fair shot at the show.

We'd all like to believe that personnel decisions are made based on merit, but GMs' and scouts' careers live and die by those top-round picks... and since they're also the initial arbiters of if/when a prospect is ready or not, it's no wonder that most 1st-rounders get repeated shots at making the team that drafted them, and most don't have to wait long for that first shot. Even if they fail with their initial team, you can bet there are plenty of other GMs willing to take a chance on a former 1st-round pick across all leagues and levels.

If a 4th-round pick or an undrafted signess fails to make the show, nobody's going to get fired over that. And in most cases, those players are never heard from again.

Fan reactions mirror this kind of valuation... 1st-round picks are fawned over and are treated with the utmost of patience and optimism, while lower-tier prospects routinely get dismissed/pigeon-holed.

I personally believe that McGinn, Akeson, and Raffl are probably more 'ready' to take on the rigors of a full NHL season than Laughton... but we all know that Laughton will have to really fall on his face hard to not be the first youngster up for promotion based purely on draft-status.

- Tomahawk



I beleive most of this to be false. GM's are also fired when their team falters, due to questionable player decisions, such as keeping a higher draft pick on the team, when a player that was a lower draft choice, is a better choice. Just because that player was drafted higher. So it's a two way street. There's a legitimate reason why higher draft picks are given more attention and time from GM's and Coaches. They're better players, and are more likely to become solid NHL players. An Organization has a system. Lesser players go down to the AHL, where those Coaches work with those players, and give them the attention they need. That's how it works. McGinn or Raffl may certainly beat out Laughton. Akeson is a different player, who would play in a different role, so he's not really competing with Laughton for a spot. Laughton making the team is not going to be based on Draft status. That's false.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:47 PM ET
ftfw
- BulliesPhan87


ftfy
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 17 @ 2:47 PM ET
And who is going to come to your defen--

Oh.

- Flyskippy


Wait...what?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 2:48 PM ET
happy 5-year anniversary of the day Mike Richards was named captain of the Flyers
- bradleyc4

Worst. Flyers history on this day presentation. Ever.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:48 PM ET
That means you owned either a Chris Gratton jersey or a Pavel Brendl jersey, yes?
- johndewar


i have a 55 markov. got it from my brother, and don't know where he got it. likely a new nameplate because it's the orange jersey from the 80s/90s. i should wear it some time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:48 PM ET
I much preferred it when it was hockey and fun talk and not "Who can be the most correct, haughty, and aggrandize one's self while belittling those of differing opinions." It's one thing to correct errors and another to frame others' opinions as fact and attack them while crying when the same is done conversely.

I miss the days of the Buzzgates.

I'm off. Probably should have stayed away today. I feel like I've gone from face to heel.

- Flyskippy



The discussion on Laughton was Hockey talk. The above is not about Hockey.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:49 PM ET
I much preferred it when it was hockey and fun talk and not "Who can be the most correct, haughty, and aggrandize one's self while belittling those of differing opinions." It's one thing to correct errors and another to frame others' opinions as fact and attack them while crying when the same is done conversely.

I miss the days of the Buzzgates.

I'm off. Probably should have stayed away today. I feel like I've gone from face to heel.

- Flyskippy


Hey, I tried to bring up the merits of "Sixteen Stone" by Bush last night and no one wanted to join in.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:50 PM ET
I've read it several times. That's all I have. Someone in the know would have to clarify. All I could do is point out the articles and that doesn't make the writers correct.
- mayorofangrytown



Those writers are incorrect. Laughton used up his tryout games last Season.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 17 @ 2:51 PM ET
The discussion on Laughton was Hockey talk. The above is not about Hockey.
- MJL

No, it was more of a nostalgic soliloquy.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Sep 17 @ 2:51 PM ET
I hear it's actually Morinn
- BulliesPhan87

oh, he's from Cali near SF?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
The discussion on Laughton was Hockey talk. The above is not about Hockey.
- MJL

And?
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Sep 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
Does my wife also have to fall in love with a picture of him on a boat with no shirt on?
- jmatchett383

let him bulk up a little more and we'll see...
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 2:54 PM ET
Hey, I tried to bring up the merits of "Sixteen Stone" by Bush last night and no one wanted to join in.
- jmatchett383

1) I saw it late.

2) Not a band I like.

Sorry.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Sep 17 @ 2:54 PM ET
I beleive most of this to be false. GM's are also fired when their team falters, due to questionable player decisions, such as keeping a higher draft pick on the team, when a player that was a lower draft choice, is a better choice. Just because that player was drafted higher. So it's a two way street. There's a legitimate reason why higher draft picks are given more attention and time from GM's and Coaches. They're better players, and are more likely to become solid NHL players. An Organization has a system. Lesser players go down to the AHL, where those Coaches work with those players, and give them the attention they need. That's how it works. McGinn or Raffl may certainly beat out Laughton. Akeson is a different player, who would play in a different role, so he's not really competing with Laughton for a spot. Laughton making the team is not going to be based on Draft status. That's false.
- MJL



shocking.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 17 @ 2:55 PM ET
oh, he's from Cali near SF?
- isaiah520

www.morinnbuzz.com ?
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 2:55 PM ET
No, it was more of a nostalgic soliloquy.
- BulliesPhan87

<-- Theatre major.

Thank you.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:55 PM ET
1) I saw it late.

2) Not a band I like.

Sorry.

- Flyskippy


I'm not a fan of the band. In fact, I really dislike the band. But the album is pretty good. And his wife is amazingly hot.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Sep 17 @ 2:56 PM ET
I beleive most of this to be false. GM's are also fired when their team falters, due to questionable player decisions, such as keeping a higher draft pick on the team, when a player that was a lower draft choice, is a better choice. Just because that player was drafted higher. So it's a two way street. There's a legitimate reason why higher draft picks are given more attention and time from GM's and Coaches. They're better players, and are more likely to become solid NHL players. An Organization has a system. Lesser players go down to the AHL, where those Coaches work with those players, and give them the attention they need. That's how it works. McGinn or Raffl may certainly beat out Laughton. Akeson is a different player, who would play in a different role, so he's not really competing with Laughton for a spot. Laughton making the team is not going to be based on Draft status. That's false.
- MJL


If I told you grass is green you would come up with some stupid arguement about kentucky blue grass, and yellow grass from dog pee.

... and you would argue it for 16 pages. Then tomorrow you will talk about how green the grass is today...
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