Anyone have information on what the lines were outside 29-19-88 and 10-20-81?

Anyone have information on what the lines were outside 29-19-88 and 10-20-81?
- rollpards19

Smith, Shaw and Morin skated together, as did Pirri, Winchester and Shalunov.

Brookbank just played a majority of the games on a team that finished with the 6th best point % in NHL history, Mike Kostka couldn't play in the playoffs for the Leafs. Both are 6/7 defensemen, and Brookbank has proven he can do it on this team. One bad playoff game when you haven't played in a month in a half is not a fair way to judge a player
- rollpards19

If Bowman has the opportunity to dump Brookbank's contract he will do it faster than it took Steve Montador to fall down on each shift he took for the Blackhawks.

I will give Brookbank credit for being game and being willing to drop the mitts with anybody as a good team guy, but he isn't an NHL defenceman. Just like Theo Peckham isn't and maybe not Kostka either.

Jersey numbers tell the entire story...if Danault has Smith's #21 then Smith a virtual lock for the Blackhawks opening night roster!!
- DarthKane

I think the Blackhawks have the most confidence in Smith, just look at who they played in game 3 of the SCF when Hossa went down....Smith.

The only potential flaw I see in that reasoning is that there may be difference in who the team sees as most likely to develop into a steady NHL player over the course of full NHL season versus who they most trust in a single game, who's least likely to hurt us type scenario. Most NHL ready now, vs higher ceiling.

Too much analysis.

An off-handed answer to an off-handed question - let's not make too much of any of this at this point.
- StLBravesFan

Agree it was off-handed answer but not that it was off-handed question. As for for my analyzing it to much, could be,could be. You should have seen me back in the days of "Paul is dead".

Jersey numbers tell the entire story...if Danault has Smith's #21 then Smith a virtual lock for the Blackhawks opening night roster!!
- DarthKane

You're damn right they do! It's a sure fire way to know if a guy is going to make the big club or not.

Agree it was off-handed answer but not that it was off-handed question. As for for my analyzing it to much, could be,could be. You should have seen me back in the days of "Paul is dead".
- Beaver-Warrior

I buried Paul.

You're damn right they do! It's a sure fire way to know if a guy is going to make the big club or not.
- EKolb13

I'm usually a fan of the more traditional numbers, but I have to admit that I liked Smith wearing 57 better than 28.

I buried Paul.
- Ogilthorpe2

You should have buried his look-alike too.

The only potential flaw I see in that reasoning is that there may be difference in who the team sees as most likely to develop into a steady NHL player over the course of full NHL season versus who they most trust in a single game, who's least likely to hurt us type scenario. Most NHL ready now, vs higher ceiling.
- Ogilthorpe2

True, and you also have to take into account the various roles Q is looking to fill. For the 4th like / PK specialist I think Smith would be the best fit. A guy like Morin may have more upside but he'd be battling for a third line role.

I'm usually a fan of the more traditional numbers, but I have to admit that I liked Smith wearing 57 better than 28.
- DarthKane

I guess I'm not one who really cares who has what jersey number.

I buried Paul.
- Ogilthorpe2

I knew it. I knew it all along.

If Bowman has the opportunity to dump Brookbank's contract he will do it faster than it took Steve Montador to fall down on each shift he took for the Blackhawks.

I will give Brookbank credit for being game and being willing to drop the mitts with anybody as a good team guy, but he isn't an NHL defenceman. Just like Theo Peckham isn't and maybe not Kostka either.
- RickJ

Brookbank's contract is only $1.250, which is about $700K more than Stanton would be. Of course Stanton could be sent down each game he does not dress, saving more cap space for the huge deadline deal ( ). The thing is, though, that the 7th d-man on the Hawks will be the 6th d-man about 40 games; is Q as comfortable with Stanton (or Kostka or Peckham - they are about the same cap hit as Stanton) in there as he is with Brookbank? Also consider that Brookbank can be sent to the Rock (thru waivers) for a net cap hit of $350K.

Just visited the Wangs thread...interestingly (to me anyway) it seems most of them are not too happy about Cleary being back in the fold.

Here we go...training camp for us all.

First, regarding Saad, I am a little surprised by the quickness again by many to dismiss him. So be it. Saad has never been, and was never drafted to be a playmaking center. On the other hand, what he does well, very well for a young player, is play strong along the wall. Wins battles, has the size, speed and strength to create his own space and opportunities.

Saad will be a regular on the PK, and proved his worth there last year. Clearly he has a two way game. Playing with Sharp and Hossa, he will do a more than adequate job. He also proved that he could win face offs, albeit in limited opportunities, but he is not overwhelmed by having to take them.

Regarding Pirri as another option. Again, I have to go back to the simple axiom that exists on this board. That is, for many, the cup is ALWAYS have empty with any prospect and unproven player. I on the other hand like to look at a player, his skills, his growth and his track record. Pirri and or Saad or any other stiff that would be brought in, does not need to be Toews. Sure would be nice. But given the linemates he will have, he needs to play responsibly defensively, and create scoring opportunties for two pernnial all stars.

Before the broken record crowd goes off half cocked painting me as some fair weather guy, who has not seen enough of Pirri to know all his glaring weaknesses, lets just skip that. The guy has been overlooked everywhere, discounted and yet always finds a way to be successful. Finds a way to get better, round out his game, get more opportunity. I do not need stats for that. Can it transcend into the NHL? Great question. Why would this guy not be given a chance? I will say right now, he would be no worse than the revolving door that centered the second line last year.

Now, if it is found out that he gets truly outmatched. Evaluate it at that time, but likely the matchup problems will always fall on the side of the hawks opponents. Might there be a team where having a Handzuis in the lineup help? Sure...but lets not right this guy off before he even gets one chance.

Just visited the Wangs thread...interestingly (to me anyway) it seems most of them are not too happy about Cleary being back in the fold.
- Ogilthorpe2

Did they give any specific reasons why?

Brookbank's contract is only $1.250, which is about $700K more than Stanton would be. Of course Stanton could be sent down each game he does not dress, saving more cap space for the huge deadline deal ( ). The thing is, though, that the 7th d-man on the Hawks will be the 6th d-man about 40 games; is Q as comfortable with Stanton (or Kostka or Peckham - they are about the same cap hit as Stanton) in there as he is with Brookbank? Also consider that Brookbank can be sent to the Rock (thru waivers) for a net cap hit of $350K.
- mohel

For the amount of cap space we'd save I'd rather keep Brookbank, unless we could get a decent 4C for him.

I guess I'm not one who really cares who has what jersey number.
- EKolb13

I care, I care a lot.

My favorite number is 4...don't know why, just always liked it. I also like all single digit numbers (especially for D-men), and double numbers (11, 22, 33, etc) which makes my second favorite number 44. This sadly led to my purchase of a red CCM Patrick Poulin Jersey in the early '90's. I had been starving for the Hawks to have someone good wear 4 or 44 since My first favorite Hawk (Keith Brown) left the team, so when they traded for the promising youngster who wore 44, I pounced...pre-maturely as it turns out. Now that Hammer is re-signed...the time may be hear to step up and buy a new #4

Did they give any specific reasons why?
- DarthKane

It seems they'd rather go with youth and speed. They feel some of their prospects are rotting on the vine in the "A".

Brookbank's contract is only $1.250, which is about $700K more than Stanton would be. Of course Stanton could be sent down each game he does not dress, saving more cap space for the huge deadline deal ( ). The thing is, though, that the 7th d-man on the Hawks will be the 6th d-man about 40 games; is Q as comfortable with Stanton (or Kostka or Peckham - they are about the same cap hit as Stanton) in there as he is with Brookbank? Also consider that Brookbank can be sent to the Rock (thru waivers) for a net cap hit of $350K.
- mohel

Gotta think there is going to be some movement among these bottom end blue liners. Brookbank, Kostka, Peckham and Stanton all signed with only a part time role open as 6/7 Dman when Roszival sits or there is an injury to somebody else? Seems like overkill to me but maybe Stan is thinking he needs 9-10 defenceman total in the system who can play some NHL minutes.

Gotta think there is going to be some movement among these bottom end blue liners. Brookbank, Kostka, Peckham and Stanton all signed with only a part time role open as 6/7 Dman when Roszival sits or there is an injury to somebody else? Seems like overkill to me but maybe Stan is thinking he needs 9-10 defenceman total in the system who can play some NHL minutes.
- RickJ

Maybe, but Stan might as well wait for a while before making any moves. If we get couple injuries on defense we'll need this depth. If not, maybe some other teams run into some problems with their defense and Stan can exploit that through a trade.

Gotta think there is going to be some movement among these bottom end blue liners. Brookbank, Kostka, Peckham and Stanton all signed with only a part time role open as 6/7 Dman when Roszival sits or there is an injury to somebody else? Seems like overkill to me but maybe Stan is thinking he needs 9-10 defenceman total in the system who can play some NHL minutes.
- RickJ

I'm wondering if the FO wants the insurance of an NHL level d-man or two in the A. In addition to insurance, a couple solid d-men down in the Rock could help the development of some of the young guys down there.

Maybe, but Stan might as well wait for a while before making any moves. If we get couple injuries on defense we'll need this depth. If not, maybe some other teams run into some problems with their defense and Stan can exploit that through a trade.
- DarthKane

Maybe for a 4C.

I care, I care a lot.

My favorite number is 4...don't know why, just always liked it. I also like all single digit numbers (especially for D-men), and double numbers (11, 22, 33, etc) which makes my second favorite number 44. This sadly led to my purchase of a red CCM Patrick Poulin Jersey in the early '90's. I had been starving for the Hawks to have someone good wear 4 or 44 since My first favorite Hawk (Keith Brown) left the team, so when they traded for the promising youngster who wore 44, I pounced...pre-maturely as it turns out. Now that Hammer is re-signed...the time may be hear to step up and buy a new #4
- Ogilthorpe2

Keith (frank)ing Brown. That guy seemed to get hurt every year. Too bad. He wasn't a bad D-man.

I'm usually a fan of the more traditional numbers, but I have to admit that I liked Smith wearing 57 better than 28.
- DarthKane

28 should be in the RAFTERS...phuck'n YESTERDAY ALREADY