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Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/28/chick-fil-a-president-tweets-response-to-gay-marriage-rulings-then-deletes
- Fountain-San

bump @ joel_eh. you were close.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 11 @ 2:56 PM ET
In any other industry in America a company can dismiss an employee for public comments that they don't want to be associated with and the first amendment doesn't protect you from that. The Bruins would have been completely within their rights to tell their employee to shut his mouth. Athletes tend to get a little more leeway in that regard but their comments are still open to backlash. Thankfully, the first amendment doesn't protect you from that either. Again, freedom of speech just means that you can say what you want, not that you can do it without criticism.
- Jeffmt

watch i can play too.

i agree with you oh wise on. all these other folks are fools!!!!!

NICE!!
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
here we go. you have no idea about my politics. and venom? hyperbole much? it's not the white house. for me it's the way he went off the resevation in a very public way. HE LEFT THE FRICKEN TEAM. that's why i'm mad. he was the greatest goalie in recent bruins memory maybe the greatest ever, at least the greatest story, and he imploded. see ya. (frank) the media or politics. he melted down and bailed.
- Fountain-San


Now we're dealing with labor and privacy rights. He didn't leave the team mid season. He made his announcement in the OS and the Bruins had Raask in the wings - who they were constantly touting as their future starter. Where was the implosion?
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Sep 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
lets not go overboard. honor your contract and the organization that made you a millionaire.
- Fountain-San


Exactly. If you're lucky enough to win the Stanley Cup there are some assumed obligations that go along with that, one of those is a photo op with the president. That's a big deal for the team and the league. They're paying you a lot of money to represent the Bruins so just be an adult and honor your commitments. That's all.
Joel_Eh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Panel member of L'Antichambre, ON
Joined: 01.26.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:57 PM ET
bump @ joel_eh. you were close.
- Fountain-San


you beat me too it...

Either way Tim Thomas is a wildcard - and in my opinion a little bit loopy.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
Of course it does. Telling someone to shut up when they are speaking politically is telling them not to exercise their first amendment right.

And no, I am not saying it is a civil rights violation.

- tredbrta

That's a load of horsehockey. It's that user's first amendment right (assuming they're American, of course) to express his interest in Tim Thomas shutting up.
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
Now we're dealing with labor and privacy rights. He didn't leave the team mid season. He made his announcement in the OS and the Bruins had Raask in the wings - who they were constantly touting as their future starter. Where was the implosion?
- tredbrta

facebook.

again he had a contract. he bailed on the team.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:05 PM ET
In any other industry in America a company can dismiss an employee for public comments that they don't want to be associated with and the first amendment doesn't protect you from that. The Bruins would have been completely within their rights to tell their employee to shut his mouth. Athletes tend to get a little more leeway in that regard but their comments are still open to backlash. Thankfully, the first amendment doesn't protect you from that either. Again, freedom of speech just means that you can say what you want, not that you can do it without criticism.
- Jeffmt


Employers can bar political discussion at work but I am not sure Thomas ever stated a political opinion while working.

Still not yet clear whether an employer can fire someone because they only disagree with the opinion. They certainly cannot if it falls under NLRA.
Jeffmt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 10.11.2006

Sep 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
Employers can bar political discussion at work but I am not sure Thomas ever stated a political opinion while working.

Still not yet clear whether an employer can fire someone because they only disagree with the opinion. They certainly cannot if it falls under NLRA.

- tredbrta


You might have a point there, I don't know. It certainly doesn't mean that he can't be called out on it from fans and media though.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: *flush*, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
Who's Tim Thomas?
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
http://www.care2.com/causes/chick-fil-a-president-speaks-out-against-gay-marriage.html

He then went on to tweet "its a sad day for out nation blah blah blah" when the gay marriage law was passed.

http://www.usnews.com/new...iage-rulings-then-deletes

I may have exagerrated about the rapture.....

- Joel_Eh


Wow. Still looking for the "I hate gay people" statement. Looks more like a statement about government dictating religious belief. In this case, regarding the topic of marriage.
gzatron
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.27.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:13 PM ET
I would honestly love if he came to Calgary

Then he wouldn't have to visit the white house when they win the cup this year

- The-O-G



They guy is a Right Wing nut job.
He wont wanna play in Canada full of its damn lefties.

What is the Southern most state with a hockey club? That's where he wants to play...
Looks like Florida gets their man....

Allthough Tampa has more rednecks so they would be a better fit...
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:14 PM ET
Bruins teammates would tell you different
- Fountain-San


Really? Maybe you should start your own blog. You obviously have a multitude of sources with the Bruins....

The fact actually remains that Thomas is still friends with many current roster players on the Bruins. In fact, several have been out with Thomas since he left the team. Ference is one of them.

There were a few displeased with the distraction of the White House. Thomas regretted it. Their, mostly anonymous, quotes have been overplayed.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:15 PM ET
bump @ joel_eh. you were close.
- Fountain-San


Further confirmation of your bias.
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:16 PM ET
You might have a point there, I don't know. It certainly doesn't mean that he can't be called out on it from fans and media though.
- Jeffmt


Thanks. And I agree, all criticism is allowed.
daws44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.08.2010

Sep 11 @ 3:22 PM ET
BS, if Ference had refused to go to the Bush White House he would have been called a hero in Boston.
- tredbrta


Wow!
This is almost as ridiculous as your "Rand Paul" understanding of Obamacare.

Btw, what's with the Chomsky obsession?
I'm guessing you took this internet personality of yours public......
And Noam made you look like a fool.
Joel_Eh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Panel member of L'Antichambre, ON
Joined: 01.26.2012

Sep 11 @ 3:55 PM ET
Wow. Still looking for the "I hate gay people" statement. Looks more like a statement about government dictating religious belief. In this case, regarding the topic of marriage.
- tredbrta


I didn't say he hated gay people i said he actively spoke out about gay marriage, mentioned how they are basically spitting in the face of the bibles idea of marriage, tweeted how its sad day for a country when gay marriage was passed.

Call me crazy but I feel like inferring he doesn't really like gay people isnt much of a stretch.
Genev21
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.29.2012

Sep 11 @ 4:27 PM ET
Timmy going to Russia would be HILARIOUS
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 11 @ 4:40 PM ET
Further confirmation of your bias.
- tredbrta

what bias?
Fountain-San
Boston Bruins
Location: Marchand is a rat fink dweeb.., ME
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 11 @ 4:40 PM ET
Really? Maybe you should start your own blog. You obviously have a multitude of sources with the Bruins....

The fact actually remains that Thomas is still friends with many current roster players on the Bruins. In fact, several have been out with Thomas since he left the team. Ference is one of them.

There were a few displeased with the distraction of the White House. Thomas regretted it. Their, mostly anonymous, quotes have been overplayed.

- tredbrta

and your sources?
Crazycaboose
Florida Panthers
Location: FL
Joined: 12.30.2011

Sep 11 @ 5:24 PM ET
If he can stop the puck I don't give a (frank)!
JIwasinskiJr
Boston Bruins
Location: Ludlow, MA
Joined: 02.09.2011

Sep 11 @ 6:03 PM ET
How is this still an issue. Manny didn't go to the White House because it was manny being manny. Theo didn't go and was on the campaign trail with Kerry one year. Hell, even Michael Jordan, James Harrison, albert pujos and the great Larry bird skipped going to the White House.
And you know what, who cares except small minded people that can't imagine that someone dare not agree with whatever there beliefs are and toe the line.
Should of been, and should still be, a none issue.
annoyance_101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I am not a troll, I am not a t
Joined: 07.16.2006

Sep 11 @ 6:31 PM ET
Hodgsons signed for 6 years, dunno the dollar amount yet
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 6:32 PM ET
How is this still an issue. Manny didn't go to the White House because it was manny being manny. Theo didn't go and was on the campaign trail with Kerry one year. Hell, even Michael Jordan, James Harrison, albert pujos and the great Larry bird skipped going to the White House.
And you know what, who cares except small minded people that can't imagine that someone dare not agree with whatever there beliefs are and toe the line.
Should of been, and should still be, a none issue.

- JIwasinskiJr


You said it.

What you just proved is that this is entirely about what Thomas believes and not his method of protest.

Didn't know about Manny or Theo. Thanks for that. Does F San think they were team players?
tredbrta
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.30.2012

Sep 11 @ 6:39 PM ET
I didn't say he hated gay people i said he actively spoke out about gay marriage, mentioned how they are basically spitting in the face of the bibles idea of marriage, tweeted how its sad day for a country when gay marriage was passed.

Call me crazy but I feel like inferring he doesn't really like gay people isn't much of a stretch.

- Joel_Eh


It certainly was and is a stretch.

The man takes his religious beliefs seriously just like Pavel Datsyuk. Does believing gay marriage is wrong mean you hate gay people? Does believing the government legislating against a religious belief is constitutionally incorrect mean you hate gay people?

The tiny, tiny minds here explain why political correctness is trumping the constitution in so many ways. Really sad.
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