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leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Sep 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
The Flyers would be insane to trade Coburn for a prospect, where the genesis of the move is to create Cap space. I have faith that they know better.

Think about what that would do the mix of the defense, along with the injury concerns with Grossmann and Meszaros.

- MJL


Just sayin'... Edmonton has some a lot of nice defensemen prospects (is 5 a log jam?). I'm not sure how many are NHL ready, but I'd take a chance on a rookie (like Nurse) for Coburn. Sure haggle for what's the best deal... I'm not confident in Coburns play, he's never found consistency. Our defensive prospects have gotten better long term - but not short term. If we can fill that gap between Morin/Haag and the current NHL'ers. We should do it. Especially, if the guy has the potential for a line 1 guy.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
I hope Mez comes out both guns blazing and puts all you guys to shame.

I'm willing to see what he has when healthy. He has a ton to prove. We know it, he knows it, his coach, gm and the other players know it.
But I'm willing to give him the opportunity to fight for his spot this season. If we trade him I'd be fine with it at the trade deadline or (gods forbid ) he actually ends his current contract with us at the end of the season.

- FlyersGrace


Unfortunately, he's a pretzel. He's only under contract for one more season, there is no way he's going to be a Flyers beyond this season, might as well unload him while he's still upright. Even a 6th round pick would suffice.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
Comes out, gets hit breaks a leg, gets concussion is un tradeable for the rest of the year
- PhillaBully

You sound like a Flyers fan....

In all seriousness even I will have to agree we shouldn't re-up his contract if he gets hurt badly this season. I guess I just remember him playing really well for us when he was healthy. It makes me sad to think we are seriously considering trading him for nothing back except the cap room he frees up.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Unfortunately, he's a pretzel. He's only under contract for one more season, there is no way he's going to be a Flyers beyond this season, might as well unload him while he's still upright. Even a 6th round pick would suffice.
- PLindbergh31

I guess I disagree cuz if he is healthy he can be a strong defensemen and we all KNOW you can't have enough of those.
I won't touch comments on his flexibility. I'll let you spout off about his favorite positions. Although feel free to draw a pretzel picture.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
I guess I disagree cuz if he is healthy he can be a strong defensemen and we all KNOW you can't have enough of those.
I won't touch comments on his flexibility. I'll let you spout off about his favorite positions. Although feel free to draw a pretzel picture.

- FlyersGrace


The bolded part is like me saying if I win the powerball tonight, I don't have to go to work tomorrow.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
Whoa.....

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m
Not exactly sure why, but it appears as if there is some complication between Daniel Cleary and PHI. Told he will not be joining Flyers.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
Whoa.....

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m
Not exactly sure why, but it appears as if there is some complication between Daniel Cleary and PHI. Told he will not be joining Flyers.

- PLindbergh31


This will make tons of people on here happy, and 2 people sad.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:50 PM ET
This will make tons of people on here happy, and 2 people sad.
- jmatchett383


I'm indifferent. Cleary would have helped, but I wasn't crazy about the reported contract.

Simon Gagne, come on down.

Probably a situation where the Flyers didn't have grasp on their cap situation and had to pull the offer.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 11 @ 2:51 PM ET
Achilles ruptures are probably not classified as recurring. After surgery, only 4% chance of a re-rupture. He probably has a greater chance of rupturing the other one. But, I'm sure strengthening and stretching is a daily routine and should limit it from happening again.
- leon neon

The shoulder injury, not the achilles.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
I'm indifferent. Cleary would have helped, but I wasn't crazy about the reported contract.

Simon Gagne, come on down.

- PLindbergh31


Brendan Morrow, come on down, if you can make it.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
The bolded part is like me saying if I win the powerball tonight, I don't have to go to work tomorrow.
- PLindbergh31

If I root for you to win the powerball do I get a cut?
And yeah I see your point. I'm just willing to give him a shot to show up or shut up.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
If I root for you to win the powerball do I get a cut?
And yeah I see your point. I'm just willing to give him a shot to show up or shut up.

- FlyersGrace


I'm rooting for you to root for him. Do I get a cut of your cut?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
If I root for you to win the powerball do I get a cut?
And yeah I see your point. I'm just willing to give him a shot to show up or shut up.

- FlyersGrace


yes. If I win I will buy you Flyers season tix center ice.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 2:55 PM ET
Brendan Morrow, come on down, if you can make it.
- jmatchett383


No way. Want no part of him. He looked cooked in Pittsburgh. Let Mcginn play on the 4th line.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Sep 11 @ 2:56 PM ET
I agree a 100% on your view of Brayden Schenn. He hasn't really impressed me yet and he seems to hold on to the puck to long at times. He needs to have a big year...
- tk71


I agree.

There will a lot of eyes on Brayden this winter, and justly so. I'd really like him to get comfortable, find his niche, and amp up his game to a more consistent level.

I wouldn't be disappointed if he develops a stronger, all around game instead of a big year, so to speak. After all, he's still a kid on the upside of his learning curve.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
Just sayin'... Edmonton has some a lot of nice defensemen prospects (is 5 a log jam?). I'm not sure how many are NHL ready, but I'd take a chance on a rookie (like Nurse) for Coburn. Sure haggle for what's the best deal... I'm not confident in Coburns play, he's never found consistency. Our defensive prospects have gotten better long term - but not short term. If we can fill that gap between Morin/Haag and the current NHL'ers. We should do it. Especially, if the guy has the potential for a line 1 guy.
- leon neon



It would be a huge mistake in my opinion to trade Coburn for a prospect.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Sep 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
I'm rooting for you to root for him. Do I get a cut of your cut?
- jmatchett383

Sure, here's your piece of red velvet cake covered in iron filings.
And if Mez does do well then we both reap the benefits.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Sep 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
I'm indifferent. Cleary would have helped, but I wasn't crazy about the reported contract.

Simon Gagne, come on down.

Probably a situation where the Flyers didn't have grasp on their cap situation and had to pull the offer.

- PLindbergh31

They have plenty of cap room, all they have to do is send a couple guys down a voila... cap compliant.

Ask anybody. There's no cap problem here.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
No way. Want no part of him. He looked cooked in Pittsburgh. Let Mcginn play on the 4th line.
- PLindbergh31

I'd really prefer to let McGinn (or whatever player we already have) take that spot than sign any veteran, at this point.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 11 @ 3:02 PM ET
They have plenty of cap room, all they have to do is send a couple guys down a voila... cap compliant.

Ask anybody. There's no cap problem here.

- mayorofangrytown



Are the moves open to the Flyers that have been suggested to become Cap complaint, incorrect? Or not feasible?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
They have plenty of cap room, all they have to do is send a couple guys down a voila... cap compliant.

Ask anybody. There's no cap problem here.

- mayorofangrytown


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
Sure, here's your piece of red velvet cake covered in iron filings.
And if Mez does do well then we both reap the benefits.

- FlyersGrace


I prefer stainless steel filings. Don't want them breaking down too early.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
Whoa.....

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC 1m
Not exactly sure why, but it appears as if there is some complication between Daniel Cleary and PHI. Told he will not be joining Flyers.

- PLindbergh31

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 11 @ 3:05 PM ET
I'd really prefer to let McGinn (or whatever player we already have) take that spot than sign any veteran, at this point.
- BulliesPhan87


Yeah. What will prob end up happening is if they don't sign Gagne they will move Talbot up to the third line (which I have no problem with) and put Rosehill on the 4th line (which is a waste of time).
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 11 @ 3:06 PM ET
Yeah. What will prob end up happening is if they don't sign Gagne they will move Talbot up to the third line (which I have no problem with) and put Rosehill on the 4th line (which is a waste of time).
- PLindbergh31


Scot Lawton to line fist
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