Yeah I saw Liles in the top 4


That's how deep we are
- robin_steele264

I thought he was the 2nd best dman last season
- robin_steele264

franson?

thats because he played against grinders

he was sheltered.. he didnt play against crosby, ovie, staal, etc.

he played against third and fourth lines.

playing well is one thing.. but you have to look at entire picture to get to the truth of the matter.

nope, insert liles.

done.
- Dozzer

Leafs will be done. Yes

he should be signed.. 2 to 2.5 million range.. if he proves he can handle tougher assignments.. then big contract next time

but not until he proves it.

his most successful years were under trotz and carlyle who both sheltered him from hard defensive assignments. one trick pony up to this point.. if he proves himself worth, fantastic.. if not.. well then he is on the right pay scale.
- Dozzer

Would you be unhappy if he's signed to 2.9?

The last few pages are like a dog chasing his own tail

Yeah I saw Liles in the top 4


That's how deep we are
- robin_steele264

make fun of liles all you want.. but playing limited minutes, and being sat often, and not getting his usal PP time he was still on pace for a 30P season

if thats his poopty season i am 100% with that.

franson?

thats because he played against grinders

he was sheltered.. he didnt play against crosby, ovie, staal, etc.

he played against third and fourth lines.

playing well is one thing.. but you have to look at entire picture to get to the truth of the matter.
- Dozzer

Then he got a bigger role and thrived.


Him and Gardiner rose to the occasion while the rest wilted

- Woderwick

Again, I observed that too....starting to think Robin is a Leaf fan who jumped ship when JFJ ran the team into the ground, liked the youth movement in Edmonton and switched teams. Like that Tylerseguin19 fellow.

Leafs will be done. Yes
- robin_steele264

yes.. franson is the be all end all to the leafs success.

sorry but thats just downright stupid as (frank).

a more casual fan wouldnt even notice him gone.

As the season went on he went from 14 to over 20 minutes with added defensive respon......


(frank) didn't you read the tsn propaganda???



- robin_steele264

no... as the season went on, opposing teams started playing their 4th lines more. and carlyle had to match with his 5/6 dmen.

Would you rank him as the 5/6 guy on the current depth chart?
- robin_steele264

He needs to prove he's capable there full time. I think he's earned that right to move up.

Then he got a bigger role and thrived.


Him and Gardiner rose to the occasion while the rest wilted
- robin_steele264

That's what I believe too, but not everyone is convinced. Which is fine.....hoping OUR team continues to build on last season.

make fun of liles all you want.. but playing limited minutes, and being sat often, and not getting his usal PP time he was still on pace for a 30P season

if thats his poopty season i am 100% with that.
- Dozzer

Liles has been the spit bucket of these boards for ages.


Today he's a top 4


Forgive me for being confused.

Then he got a bigger role and thrived.


Him and Gardiner rose to the occasion while the rest wilted
- robin_steele264

he didnt get a bigger role til the mid point of the playoffs when fraser went down

and he only thrived because the line carlyle matched him against was sucking ass hardcore.

you're still not seeing the entire picture. the situation in which he thrived is more important than the fact he thrived in it.

Liles has been the spit bucket of these boards for ages.


Today he's a top 4


Forgive me for being confused.
- robin_steele264

not to me. i still think he is top 4

just not physical enough for carlyle

yes.. franson is the be all end all to the leafs success.

sorry but thats just downright stupid as (frank).

a more casual fan wouldnt even notice him gone.
- Dozzer

franson debate again?...

yes.. franson is the be all end all to the leafs success.

sorry but thats just downright stupid as (frank).

a more casual fan wouldnt even notice him gone.
- Dozzer

Leafs D was bad last year.


Thinking they'll be fine by playing Liles more is stupid as (frank)

franson debate again?...
- Colin Dambrauskas

i left for a couple hours and they were still going

he didnt get a bigger role til the mid point of the playoffs when fraser went down

and he only thrived because the line carlyle matched him against was sucking ass hardcore.

you're still not seeing the entire picture. the situation in which he thrived is more important than the fact he thrived in it.
- Dozzer

I think you are wrong

Leafs D was bad last year.


Thinking they'll be fine by playing Liles more is stupid as (frank)
- robin_steele264

toronto was 17th fir GA/G

the "bad" you speak of is hugely overblown. middle of the pack

I thought he was the 2nd best dman last season
- robin_steele264

It's easy to stand out when you don't have challenging opposition. He needs to show he can handle playing in all situation full time, not just limited es mins against 4th liners and on the pp.

I think you are wrong
- robin_steele264

would you give up edmontons first rounder for him?

you seem to be a huge fan

Leafs D was bad last year.


Thinking they'll be fine by playing Liles more is stupid as (frank)
- robin_steele264

ummmm you are forgetting Ranger

It's easy to stand out when you don't have challenging opposition. He needs to show he can handle playing in all situation full time, not just limited es mins against 4th liners and on the pp.
- burn

people have serious tunnel vision around here. they only see what they want and avoid looking at the circumstances surrounding it.

Leafs will be done. Yes
- robin_steele264

Doubtful