The Leafs' D had no problem scoring last year.

It was what they did without the puck that was the weak spot.

Ranger over Franson (in theory) helps this.

But hey, if you think Franson is so hot, man up and make us an offer.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hemsky for Franson


There ya go. An offer

Is it raining where you are? Have you ever seen/heard it working? Take a Pail of water and pour it in there to see if it works first.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

No Ive never heard it work or seen it fill up.

Ok thanks guys!

I'd like to see this offer as well.
- Woderwick

Robin is all talk, no action.

He won't man up and make an offer.

He'll run and hide like a Sedin.

here's the funny thing... Kostka, even after being replaced by Gunnar, still saw more TOI at the end of the season than Franson. Gardiner, who saw ice time at the end of the year, when Franson was supposedly promoted, still about the same TOI/G.

And the reason we don't look at gross TOI numbers, but rather TOI/G, is because we need to take injuries into account. That's why he sits in second for overall gross TOI... because he wasn't injured much last season.

And playing a lot on the PP isn't by circumstance, he's good offensively. But he's only good offensively. He's a PP specialist who plays on the bottom pairing during regular action.

Therefore... he's a bottom pairing d-man.
- Feeling Glucky?

oh boy... like i didnt see this coming... you can manipulate the stats anyway you want to support an argument... like i said if you go back and delete the first 15 games.... those numbers will change... and franson will be top 4, but i wont do that.

No Ive never heard it work or seen it fill up.

Ok thanks guys!
- Fakepartofme

I'm starting to think u dont need a sump pump..Sell it..

Well it was their weak spot last year and it hasn't really been improved.
- robin_steele264

As wedgie points out, defensive scoring wasn't a weak spot at all... and with a full season of healthy Gardiner, and possibly a healthy Liles, along with a healthy Gunnarsson... I'm sure they can make up for the 29 points Franson provided, while getting an improved defensive presence.

No Ive never heard it work or seen it fill up.

Ok thanks guys!
- Fakepartofme

Is there a lot of sand in your area or clay?

If sand, then your sump hole will probably never even get water in it!!!

Always a bit.

But if it sits too long, it goes stagnant (stinky) so you have to actually pour some fresh water into it.

I'm learning the ways of the sump pump, too. Had one for under a year now.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya there is just sand in it...its moist but no water.

As wedgie points out, defensive scoring wasn't a weak spot at all... and with a full season of healthy Gardiner, and possibly a healthy Liles, along with a healthy Gunnarsson... I'm sure they can make up for the 29 points Ranger provided, while getting an improved defensive presence.
- Feeling Glucky?

I think you met Franson...and he's gonna score over 60 points this year if they ever get him signed!!!!!

oh boy... like i didnt see this coming... you can manipulate the stats anyway you want to support an argument... like i said if you go back and delete the first 15 games.... those numbers will change... and franson will be top 4, but i wont do that.
- Rockhead_37

I'm not manipulating any stats

The reason TOI/G is one of hte stats on the NHL website, is because it gives you a more accurate representation of what happened than the Gross TOI number.

That's why pretty much every study you see governments do is on a per capita basis. You bring different sample sizes to a common denominator so you can compare them accurately.

Robin is all talk, no action.

He won't man up and make an offer.

He'll run and hide like a Sedin.
- Atomic Wedgie

All we have is talk

So because Franson played with Fraser all year long, that makes him a #5 d.....does that make Holzer and Kostka #2's because they played with Phaneuf?
- mykokes

No.
I believe it means Randy thought they were better defensively than Cody.

I think you met Franson...and he's gonna score over 60 points this year if they ever get him signed!!!!!
- Garnie

You're right on the first part... and most likely dead wrong on the second part. Much like a sophomore slump, teams are going to pay more attention to him, and his p/g will likely drop from where it was last year... which wasn't on pace for 60 points over 82 games.

Well it was their weak spot last year and it hasn't really been improved.
- robin_steele264

you also have to assume .... Gardiner and Franson (if playing) improve also...maybe Gunnarson is better and not injured...

but other than that..I agree...I am concerned.

Damien Cox is such a knob.

http://www.thestar.com/sp...onship_far_from_cozy.html
- Garnie

this i think we can get 100% agreement on..
add to that list:
Simmons
Johnston
Alter
and the guy from the toronto sun that calls players mommies

Is there a lot of sand in your area or clay?

If sand, then your sump hole will probably never even get water in it!!!
- Garnie

hehe

Hemsky for Franson


There ya go. An offer
- robin_steele264

So you think Franson is worth the same as a pile of crap, yet the Leafs are doomed without him?

Quit huffing oily rags.

Is there a lot of sand in your area or clay?

If sand, then your sump hole will probably never even get water in it!!!
- Garnie

Milton, Im thinking clay maybe.

All we have is talk
- robin_steele264

Some of the deals proposed on here are legally binding.

It's true (E5).

You're right on the first part... and most likely dead wrong on the second part.
- Feeling Glucky?

Maybe wrong..but not dead wrong..he will have a good year when signed.

The more ice he gets the better he gets...(frank)ing Wilson totally destroyed his confidence...these guys aren't machines...

Anyway I did this yesterday...I really like Franson, I think he brings a lot to the team - but like you - its just my opinion and yes I watched EVERY leaf game last year, might have fast forwarded a couple due to finding out the score ahead of time

So you think Franson is worth the same as a pile of crap, yet the Leafs are doomed without him?

Quit huffing oily rags.
- Atomic Wedgie

maybe he thinks the Oilers are up poops creek without Hemsky?

So you think Franson is worth the same as a pile of crap, yet the Leafs are doomed without him?

Quit huffing oily rags.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm going by his value on this board today.

Ya there is just sand in it...its moist but no water.
- Fakepartofme

That's good, but I would still try it to see if it is in good working order.

Use water, don't just pull up the float and run the pump dry after it sitting dry for so long, this will also tell you if the sump drain hose is working...

I'm not manipulating any stats

The reason TOI/G is one of hte stats on the NHL website, is because it gives you a more accurate representation of what happened than the Gross TOI number.

That's why pretty much every study you see governments do is on a per capita basis. You bring different sample sizes to a common denominator so you can compare them accurately.
- Feeling Glucky?

so it's okay to take in account injuries, but not okay to take into account that a guy started the year in the press box and took 12 games to win over the new coach... during which stretch his toi/g was 10-12mins which impacts the whole body toi/g number
maybe manipulate is a strong word, i dont mean you are manipulating/changing them.. but you're picking the body of work that best suits you.

hehe
- senstroll

is that not what it's called