Ranger on the top pairing...jesus.
- AdamFrench

Better than Kostka.

and there isnt.

so where does that put franson?

you just made my point for me.
- Dozzer

so Franson isn't a shut down guy, so he's worth less?

is that your point?

I remember posting the Jays 5 man rotation and thinking..wow thats a nice 5 man rotation
- senstroll

WAS

irrelevant, different type of player. don't remember anybody saying Franson was a shut down guy
- bobbyisno1

what is relevant tho is franson is a third pairing d-man with some 2nd PP time.

look across the league.. guys like this dont make 3.5million.. more like 2

(frank) him, need his $900k - he can star for the Marlies, then we trade his midget ass to the Habs
- Garnie

Liles a foreigner.

He is no longer welcome in the Province of Quebec.

Franson can be a good player. He's certainly got the tools.

But he wasn't a key player last season. He did a good job of putting up a lot of points when given the opportunity to... and that's what's blinding a lot of people. Points seem to outweigh everything else, because it's a tangible number, while there is no stat to (reliably) show defensive ability.
- Feeling Glucky?

so, do the Leafs get to the playoffs without those points Franson put up?

so Franson isn't a shut down guy, so he's worth less?

is that your point?
- bobbyisno1

my point is he is a third pairing d-man.. he falls in behind phaneuf and gardiner when it comes to point producing d-men.

nice try

kostka was brought in because gunnar was hurt and the leafs needed a stay at home guy to play with dion

once the season progressed and the rest of the league got their legs kostka didnt get played very much.. did you forget that part?

carlyle played an injured gunnar over a healthy kostka.. so yeah.. not buying that argument at all.

franson is a 5th d-man who gets a lil 2nd pairing PP time. thats not a job description that comes with a big salary.. plain and simple fact
- Dozzer

has there ever been another 5th dman who led the team in scoring? (d scoring)
honest question..because I wouldnt think its possible

so Franson isn't a shut down guy, so he's worth less?

is that your point?
- bobbyisno1

He's worth less to the Leafs.

Which makes it interesting.

With Liles, Gardiner and Reilly, the Leafs don't really need Franson in present or future.

Quite frankly, I'd trade the guy while his stock is high.

Although I strongly suspect that his stock is not as high with GMs as it is with Leafs fans.

so, do the Leafs get to the playoffs without those points Franson put up?
- bobbyisno1

uh yeah. man.. 29 whole points .. you guys are acting like he broke records.

btw.. not one of fransons goals was a game winner.... not a single one.

Yea, sucking it up to make millions. Such a hard thing for anyone to do.
- Feeling Glucky?

it's cute how you twisted those words around because the reality is "suck it up and play for a million less" to help out a hockey franchise.

Leafs may end up regretting not getting him locked up long term in a couple years.


Good bridge deal anyways... Ball is in Kadri's court to go earn his big $$$
- robin_steele264

I know -- what if he wins the Norris like PK. Leafs really didn't have a lot of flex to lock him up for the price he wanted. There might also a teeny bit of doubt about what he is worth long term.

has there ever been another 5th dman who led the team in scoring? (d scoring)
honest question..because I wouldnt think its possible
- senstroll

Mathieu Schnieder?

Bryan Berard?

has there ever been another 5th dman who led the team in scoring? (d scoring)
honest question..because I wouldnt think its possible
- senstroll

i dont know.. look it up.

and he lead by one whole point.. you guys make it sound like he was way out in front.

my point is he is a third pairing d-man.. he falls in behind phaneuf and gardiner when it comes to point producing d-men.
- Dozzer

I like Franson with a real good partner better than Gardiner with a real good partner

IMHO

Gardiner is all over the place and gets caught holding his weenie way more than Franson.

has there ever been another 5th dman who led the team in scoring? (d scoring)
honest question..because I wouldnt think its possible
- senstroll

Marc-André Bergeron................

He's worth less to the Leafs.

Which makes it interesting.

With Liles, Gardiner and Reilly, the Leafs don't really need Franson in present or future.

Quite frankly, I'd trade the guy while his stock is high.

Although I strongly suspect that his stock is not as high with GMs as it is with Leafs fans.
- Atomic Wedgie

exactly how i feel. he isnt going to get much better than he is now.

I like Franson with a real good partner better than Gardiner with a real good partner

IMHO

Gardiner is all over the place and gets caught holding his weenie way more than Franson.
- Garnie

franson gardiner would get eaten alive over the course of a full season

the only reason they looked half decent was because they were playing against a slumping bergeron seguin line

my point is he is a third pairing d-man.. he falls in behind phaneuf and gardiner when it comes to point producing d-men.
- Dozzer

Didn't he lead the D in scoring?

exactly how i feel. he isnt going to get much better than he is now.
- Dozzer

If anything, if they increase his QOC he will probably go backwards.

my point is he is a third pairing d-man.. he falls in behind phaneuf and gardiner when it comes to point producing d-men.
- Dozzer

yet he produced more and is better defensively than Gardiner

Liles to Carolina....MK3

uh yeah. man.. 29 whole points .. you guys are acting like he broke records.

btw.. not one of fransons goals was a game winner.... not a single one.
- Dozzer

therefore none of them helped win the game

Didn't he lead the D in scoring?
- robin_steele264

wanna know how much value i put on that?

about 20%

the leafs have plenty of guys who can score if put into the situations he was put in.. it wasnt so much his skill as the situations carlyle put him in.

put liles in those same situations and you'd get the same result.

yet he produced more and is better defensively than Gardiner
- bobbyisno1

franson is not good defensively.. please dont even try to lay that on me.