That's a nice D based on potential.

Ranger and Gardiner still need to reach that potential. Gunnarsson needs to rebound from injury.

I also think Liles may rebound, and take Fraser's spot. I know lots of people have lost faith in Liles, but the team seems to have some left, or else he would have been amnestied.
- Feeling Glucky?

speaking of liles... lets assume he is the odd man out in order to sign Franson... i'm not up on the new cba in terms of demoting players.
i assume that if he were demoted, a portion of his salary is still retained.. do you know, and if so, how much?
not saying thats what i'd do, just asking

Here's the problem: You're wrong.
- Feeling Glucky?

using this logic, Kotska is worth more than Franson....
- Rockhead_37

nice try

kostka was brought in because gunnar was hurt and the leafs needed a stay at home guy to play with dion

once the season progressed and the rest of the league got their legs kostka didnt get played very much.. did you forget that part?

carlyle played an injured gunnar over a healthy kostka.. so yeah.. not buying that argument at all.

franson is a 5th d-man who gets a lil 2nd pairing PP time. thats not a job description that comes with a big salary.. plain and simple fact

My dream is actually that Ranger fits nicely with Dion.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's what I'm thinking too

- Feeling Glucky?

I know, Franson had a very respectable year and in my opinion has more value than Gunner, if you find the right trading partner. But on the Leafs Gunner has more value as we are in need of his ability to stay home.

nice try

kostka was brought in because gunnar was hurt and the leafs needed a stay at home guy to play with dion

once the season progressed and the rest of the league got their legs kostka didnt get played very much.. did you forget that part?

carlyle played an injured gunnar over a healthy kostka.. so yeah.. not buying that argument at all.

franson is a 5th d-man who gets a lil 2nd pairing PP time. thats not a job description that comes with a big salary.. plain and simple fact
- Dozzer

And some 1st line pp too!!!!

yeah, obviously you didn't... go back to listening to the radio.
- Rockhead_37

alright.. suggesting people here dont watch games is an insult.. tired of seeing it.. from here on out its a bannable comment.

Ranger on the top pairing...jesus.

speaking of liles... lets assume he is the odd man out in order to sign Franson... i'm not up on the new cba in terms of demoting players.
i assume that if he were demoted, a portion of his salary is still retained.. do you know, and if so, how much?
not saying thats what i'd do, just asking
- Rockhead_37

only 900K can be buried for any given player

yeah, obviously you didn't... go back to listening to the radio.
- Rockhead_37

Right sorry the facts are wrong because you said so. Watched the games, saw with my own eyes franson playing 3rd pair with Fraser and the numbers back that up.

That's a nice D based on potential.

Ranger and Gardiner still need to reach that potential. Gunnarsson needs to rebound from injury.

I also think Liles may rebound, and take Fraser's spot. I know lots of people have lost faith in Liles, but the team seems to have some left, or else he would have been amnestied.
- Feeling Glucky?

If franson sits for any length of time, I agree, Liles will get an opportunity to get the ice time he needs to find his game.
Prior to his concussion he was playing well.
Overpaid? Obviously.
A capable d-man? I believe he can be.

alright.. suggesting people here dont watch games is an insult.. tired of seeing it.. from here on out its a bannable comment.
- Dozzer

You're making new rules today, no more talking about Franson - it gets you all wound up!!!!!!

Not your parade, that writers.
- AdamFrench

But i WANT to believe some people have said this, and not just drunk people in bars or in forums

Ranger on the top pairing...jesus.
- AdamFrench

he doesnt need to be fancy.. just reliable.. someone who knows to stay at home while phaneuf tries to hit the net

Ranger on the top pairing...jesus.
- AdamFrench

Keep religion out of this please...and no FK'n swearing...

You're making new rules today, no more talking about Franson - it gets you all wound up!!!!!!
- Garnie

insulting other posters is actually not a new rule

sayign a guy doesnt watch hockey is an insult.. i wont put up with it any longer.

he doesnt need to be fancy.. just reliable.. someone who knows to stay at home while phaneuf tries to hit the net
- Dozzer

I think Fraser's gonna get the bump.
- Feeling Glucky?

Too many non defensive defenseman if we do that, (frank) we will have to win 10-9 games all year.

The point being, Franson clearly wasn't a better option than an injured Gunnarsson. Nobody on the team was.
- Feeling Glucky?

irrelevant, different type of player. don't remember anybody saying Franson was a shut down guy

Not going to need Liles

Phaneuf / Ranger - hopefully
Fraser / Franson
Gunner can babysit Gardiner
- Garnie

But you can't just get rid of Liles.

That's the problem.

You need to get the guy ice time so that he has a chance to re-find his game.

You can't nail him to the bench for three years.

insulting other posters is actually not a new rule

sayign a guy doesnt watch hockey is an insult.. i wont put up with it any longer.
- Dozzer

Ok, ok..... I get it!!!!

he doesnt need to be fancy.. just reliable.. someone who knows to stay at home while phaneuf tries to hit the net
- Dozzer

Sounds like the same poop said about Holzer, Kostka and every other schlub playing beside him.


Is Roman Hamrlik available?...and in 2006 condition?

alright.. suggesting people here dont watch games is an insult.. tired of seeing it.. from here on out its a bannable comment.
- Dozzer

ok.. i see you addressed both....

yes, me too

phaneuf ranger
gardiner gunnarsson
fraser franson

thats a nice D
- Dozzer

I remember posting the Jays 5 man rotation and thinking..wow thats a nice 5 man rotation

But you can't just get rid of Liles.

That's the problem.

You need to get the guy ice time so that he has a chance to re-find his game.

You can't nail him to the bench for three years.
- Atomic Wedgie

(frank) him, need his $900k - he can star for the Marlies, then we trade his midget ass to the Habs