The Flyers are saying it is a PTO


http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=20000

What is going on here?
- MBFlyerfan

I have no problem with a pro tryout but a guarantee of this much money is a bad thing. I'll use Ian Laperriere for an example. When he signed here he was expected to be a third line player but ended up on the fourth line all season long. I love Lappy and Cleary does have to better offensive skill but before the end of the deal reported, Cleary seems to be more likely a fourth line player by the time his contract is over. Lucky for us Lappy was a lot cheaper.

I don't disagree with the basics of your post here. Although not all of it. But it was obvious all Summer, that you were emotionally attached to the Flyers signing Gagne. This is evidence of why I discussed with you that the Flyers signing Gagne was not in any way a guarantee. I would not have signed either Gagne or Cleary. But if I had to choose, I'd rather have had Gagne.
- MJL

If I had a choice I'd have chosen Mason Raymond.

I like the Cleary signing -- Simon Gagne's one of my favorite players to wear a Flyers uniform over the past 15 years, but for the slot that was open, Cleary's a better fit, now and going forward. Doesn't mean Gagne can't play, but Cleary's a good player too and only one year older. He's grittier, and for a third-liner -- he's just a better fit.

I don't worry about salary stuff or contract length -- someone will either be LTIR'd, demoted or traded. That's just the business of hockey.

I think it's really important, as well, that the Flyers' young players will have another season under Terry Murray, or in junior in leading roles. More time under Murray, I feel, gets some of the Phantoms a little more polished in what it takes to play at the NHL level, and while I know some people really want Scott Laughton to stay with the club, I feel differently.

There's nothing wrong with advancing through your junior career, even playing a full season with the AHL affiliate, then making the NHL (hopefully) at 21 years old. You will have filled out a bit more, have played against men for one full season, before making the jump.

I really like Scott Laughton as a prospect. But one more year in junior won't kill him, and with Matt Read and Adam Hall both UFAs after this season, then there will be spots to compete for next year. Patience isn't the worst thing to have.

I honestly think all of the young players the Flyers have, the Tye McGinns, the Marcel Noebels, etc., can use a little more time to prepare, at least at the start of the season, then come up as injuries or trades take place.
- AllInForFlyers

Best post of the thread: TL;DR category.

Laughton can't be called up.

The Cleary signing means that Giroux is gone.
- jmatchett383

Another multi-year contract for an aging player, who at least one bad knee and is is oft-injured, whose talents will not measure up to his cap hit by the end of the second year.

Well, surprisingly at least he wasn't given a NMC

Maybe Homer is putting together his version of the 1983 Phillies Wheeze Kids.

I don't disagree with the basics of your post here. Although not all of it. But it was obvious all Summer, that you were emotionally attached to the Flyers signing Gagne. This is evidence of why I discussed with you that the Flyers signing Gagne was not in any way a guarantee. I would not have signed either Gagne or Cleary. But if I had to choose, I'd rather have had Gagne.
- MJL

So what's your point exactly? You don't disagree with my basis, so what's your point? I also said I would be happy with Brenden Morrow last night and hell bent against Cleary. Gagne was easily the better choice.

The Flyers are saying it is a PTO


http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=20000

What is going on here?
- MBFlyerfan

Simply that they won't make official signing announcement until other moves at end of month. Contract is a done deal.

If I had a choice I'd have chosen Mason Raymond.
- mayorofangrytown

Not a bad choice.

I have no problem with a pro tryout but a guarantee of this much money is a bad thing. I'll use Ian Laperriere for an example. When he signed here he was expected to be a third line player but ended up on the fourth line all season long. I love Lappy and Cleary does have to better offensive skill but before the end of the deal reported, Cleary seems to be more likely a fourth line player by the time his contract is over. Lucky for us Lappy was a lot cheaper.
- dingo8urbaby

I don't beleive it was ever expected that Lapperiere was going to play on the 3rd line. He was brought in to be a 4th line Winger and Pker.

So what's your point exactly? You don't disagree with my basis, so what's your point? I also said I would be happy with Brenden Morrow last night and hell bent against Cleary. Gagne was easily the better choice.
- dingo8urbaby

The point is that what was suggested back in the Summer about signing Gagne has come to fruition. And that Gagne coming back was never a sure thing.

I don't beleive it was ever expected that Lappariere was going to play on the 3rd line. He was brought in to be a 4th line Winger and Pker.
- MJL

I think a few expected more. In fact I know some around here did. Either way, Lappy Relish in the role. To me this kind of cash for Cleary means a 20 goal expectation right up until he's 37. To me this contract mean jumping between at least the second and third line from now (age 34) to the end of the deal when he turns 37. I don't like it and I don't think he can do it especially because of his career long grit. I am annoyed by the Pronger, Rathje, Shelley or Lilja contracts where we have to somehow ride the deal before the season starts because of a fluke of age contract. Love or hate a guy like Gagne, he waited the summer. He's younger, wanted less money and less years, all the play here. Maybe I am emotionally attached but good enough for me.

The point is that what was suggested back in the Summer about signing Gagne has come to fruition. And that Gagne coming back was never a sure thing.
- MJL

See Carle, Matt.

See Carle, Matt.
- BringBack25

the username makes this post

I think a few expected more. In fact I know some around here did. Either way, Lappy Relish in the role. To me this kind of cash for Cleary means a 20 goal expectation right up until he's 37. To me this contract mean jumping between at least the second and third line from now (age 34) to the end of the deal when he turns 37. I don't like it and I don't think he can do it especially because of his career long grit. I am annoyed by the Pronger, Rathje, Shelley or Lilja contracts where we have to somehow ride the deal before the season starts because of a fluke of age contract. Love or hate a guy like Gagne, he waited the summer. He's younger, wanted less money and less years, all the play here. Maybe I am emotionally attached but good enough for me.
- dingo8urbaby

I understand that you don't like it. But expecting 20 goals is unrealistic. And the amount he signed for, does not signify a 20 goal expectation.

How do you know what Gagne wanted or was asking for in a contract?

the username makes this post
- BulliesPhan87

yeah well, that was created for a different 25, but does sort of work here doesn't it.

yeah well, that was created for a different 25, but does sort of work here doesn't it.

- BringBack25

yeah well, that was created for a different 25, but does sort of work here doesn't it.

- BringBack25

Unfortunately I don't see Peter Zezel coming back.

Non Flyer or hockey related but had to share...

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Women often receive warnings about protecting themselves at the mall, parking lots, etc.

This is the first warning I have seen for men, and I wanted to pass it on in case you haven't heard about it.

A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular customers at Lowe's, Home Depot, Costco, or even Wal-Mart.

Last month I became a victim of a clever scam while shopping. Simply going to get supplies turned out to be quite traumatic.

Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends.

Here's how the scam works:

Two nice-looking, college-aged girls will come up to your vehicle as you are putting away your purchases. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. (It's impossible not to look).

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' but instead ask for a ride to McDonald's.

You agree and they climb in the vehicle.

On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen June 4th, 9th, 10th,15th, 20th & 29th. Also July 1st, 8th, 16th, 23rd & 27th, and very likely it will happen again this upcoming weekend.


For your information, Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for $2.99 each. I also found cheaper ones for $.99 at the Dollar Store and I buy them by the dozen

Also, you never get to actually eat at McDonald's. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth from Lowe's, to Home Depot, to Costco, etc.

Send this on to the older men that you know and warn them to be on the lookout for this scam.

The point is that what was suggested back in the Summer about signing Gagne has come to fruition. And that Gagne coming back was never a sure thing.
- MJL

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You can't see me but I'm giving you a standing ovation right here in my bedroom, you were right. Congratulations.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Quick Hits on Cleary, Rookie Game, Alt, Leier
- bmeltzer

My two cents:

I like adding Cleary. He can do things that the younger players can't be totally counted on, and he brings grit and a physical element that Simon Gagne can't match. He's also been staying healthier than Gagne over the past few years.

I like Gagne, but missing 40% of his team's games over the past three years is a serious concern. I'm also not sold that Gagne has a lot in the tank, or that he would have given the Flyers a massive hometown discount. He might have agreed to take less than Cleary, but I would have been stunned if he took less than $2mm per year.

Cleary is a good two way player, can play on the PP and PK, plays a gritty game and has no trouble delivering a bit hit when needed. He's also a capable offensive player who can fill in on the top 6 in case of injury.

I don't like the third year on the contract, and the AAV is about $250K higher than I'd have prefered, but Cleary is a good addition that will help the Flyers a lot.

Without a shadow of a doubt a stupid signing. We could have got Gagne for less years and less money and he is younger. This will be another annoying Shelley and Lilja type contract. This one we're gonna wanna get rid of at least one year if not two before it ends. Too much in every way for a 34 year old third liner.

Flyers first mistake of the offseason.
- dingo8urbaby

Couldn't disagree more. Cleary is not at all Lilja or Shelley. He is the type of player that helps teams win Stanley Cups. But you are entitled to your opinion.

My two cents:

I like adding Cleary. He can do things that the younger players can't be totally counted on, and he brings grit and a physical element that Simon Gagne can't match. He's also been staying healthier than Gagne over the past few years.

I like Gagne, but missing 40% of his team's games over the past three years is a serious concern. I'm also not sold that Gagne has a lot in the tank, or that he would have given the Flyers a massive hometown discount. He might have agreed to take less than Cleary, but I would have been stunned if he took less than $2mm per year.

Cleary is a good two way player, can play on the PP and PK, plays a gritty game and has no trouble delivering a bit hit when needed. He's also a capable offensive player who can fill in on the top 6 in case of injury.

I don't like the third year on the contract, and the AAV is about $250K higher than I'd have prefered, but Cleary is a good addition that will help the Flyers a lot.
- Jsaquella

Here's a nickel, get lost.

assuming no major changes to the roster: i wonder if lava would consider dressing 7 dmen 11 forwards at all in the early going

Couldn't disagree more. Cleary is not at all Lilja or Shelley. He is the type of player that helps teams win Stanley Cups. But you are entitled to your opinion.
- Flyers1218

Cleary has been an important cog on teams that have won Cups. He's also played 128 Stanley Cup playoff games. I'm fine with bringing Cleary aboard. He was damn near the Wings best forward in the series against the Hawks.

Couldn't disagree more. Cleary is not at all Lilja or Shelley. He is the type of player that helps teams win Stanley Cups. But you are entitled to your opinion.
- Flyers1218

I hope the Cleary they signed is still the Cleary that helps you win Cups. I just don't think that they needed to meet that price point or those years with other options available including in-house.

I hope the Cleary they signed is still the Cleary that helps you win Cups. I just don't think that they needed to meet that price point or those years with other options available including in-house.
- mayorofangrytown

He was second on the Red Wings in playoff scoring in 2013. Granted that was a long 4 months ago...