Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
B. Schenn - Lecavalier - Simmonds
Cleary - Couturier - Read
Talbot - Hall - Rinaldo

13th forward: Rosehill

Timonen - L. Schenn
Coburn - Streit
Grossmann - Gustafsson

7th D: Gervais

Emery/Mason
- bmeltzer

Who's better 7th man, Gervais or Hal Gill?

i can't agree with the bolded statement (for all of them except for briere). i feel like those trades were all hockey moves first. the cap space gained was just a side issue. that's the way i saw it, at least
- FlyerMike18

When we traded Richards and Carter for example, we didn't just trade for Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn and Couturier. We traded for Bryzgalov too. We traded for the cap space required to sign him.

Who's better 7th man, Gervais or Hal Gill?
- leon neon

Whoever is cheaper.

Larry Ziedel
- montyburns

Mike sillinger.

Quick story about larry ziedel, took my 2 year old son to a game that I got passes to the lexus club. Larry is there shaking hands taking pictures and what not. He has a stanley cup ring from the red wings that is gorgeous and huge, lets my son play with it and wear it. Once again proving hockey players are the best people In sports.

When we traded Richards and Carter for example, we didn't just trade for Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn and Couturier. We traded for Bryzgalov too. We traded for the cap space required to sign him.
- dingo8urbaby

i realize that they used the cap space, i just don't think that was the motivation for trading them. any time you trade an established player for young players you (usually, at least) gain cap space as well. i think there's a difference though between that situation and actually getting rid of a player for cap space reasons (like dumping briere, and the gagne trade)

When we traded Richards and Carter for example, we didn't just trade for Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn and Couturier. We traded for Bryzgalov too. We traded for the cap space required to sign him.
- dingo8urbaby

We could have just traded Richards or Carter and signed Bryz. It was a cap space deal, it was a deal to shake up the make-up of the team and extend the window by several years. It was an organizational change, had little to do with the Cap.

i can't agree with the bolded statement (for all of them except for briere). i feel like those trades were all hockey moves first. the cap space gained was just a side issue. that's the way i saw it, at least
- FlyerMike18

I agree. They used the resulting free cap space (as most any team would), but they did not make those deals specifically to create cap room. Again with the exception of Briere's buyout as you noted.

We could have just traded Richards or Carter and signed Bryz. It was a cap space deal, it was a deal to shake up the make-up of the team and extend the window by several years. It was an organizational change, had little to do with the Cap.
- GirouxForTheShow

No. We traded for Bryzgalov's rights and he spent a few days here in Philly. At that time we still had Carter and Richards and were very much over the cap. When Richards and Carter were traded within an hour from one another the announced signing of Bryzgalov came shortly after.

No. We traded for Bryzgalov's rights and he spent a few days here in Philly. At that time we still had Carter and Richards and were very much over the cap. When Richards and Carter were traded within an hour from one another the announced signing of Bryzgalov came shortly after.
- dingo8urbaby

Right. But we didn't have to trade both. And Im sure if Homer wanted to, he could have figured out a way to maintain all 3. Instead, he saw an opportunity to completely revamp the core of the team, which he did.

I agree. They used the resulting free cap space (as most any team would), but they did not make those deals specifically to create cap room. Again with the exception of Briere's buyout as you noted.
- BringBack25

As happy as I am with Luke Schenn's play last season, we already had Coburn and Grossmann who play similar games. Puck movement on the back end quickly became a problem. The result of having Luke Schenn has been a pleasant addition but was never necessary in my opinion. JvR just happen to have the smaller deal. Maybe Homer likes the idea of having both Brothers but Schenn isn't the style defenseman I would have aimed for at the time.

No. We traded for Bryzgalov's rights and he spent a few days here in Philly. At that time we still had Carter and Richards and were very much over the cap. When Richards and Carter were traded within an hour from one another the announced signing of Bryzgalov came shortly after.
- dingo8urbaby

Just because the events happened in that tight time period, doesn't mean they were a result of each other. Ever consider the possibility that Homer and his staff made plans for the entire offseason before that point? Maybe they had already made plans to trade the duo after the playoffs, and because they knew they were going to be trading them, they traded for Bryz's rights as a bit of insurance?

Right. But we didn't have to trade both. And Im sure if Homer wanted to, he could have figured out a way to maintain all 3. Instead, he saw an opportunity to completely revamp the core of the team, which he did.
- GirouxForTheShow

Why didn't we have to trade both though? We traded both. Ville Leino was on an expiring contractand became a pretty big part of our team. He clearly wanted to cash in, so he left. Power wanted to cash in. Betts had bad shoulders. Carillo wanted money. These bodies had the replaced. I choose to believe the change up of the mix was forced, not because the Flyers wanted a change.

Just because the events happened in that tight time period, doesn't mean they were a result of each other. Ever consider the possibility that Homer and his staff made plans for the entire offseason before that point? Maybe they had already made plans to trade the duo after the playoffs, and because they knew they were going to be trading them, they traded for Bryz's rights as a bit of insurance?
- JAKEw1234

A lot more then Richards and Carter were shipped out that summer than the team could afford.

Leafs sign Kadri to a 2 year deal.

EDIT: $2.9mm per

Not sure what to think about the signing. Good player but a long contract at a cap hit I'm not too comfy with having on the books. I guess the one positive it allows some of the younger players to take some extra time to develop further in the AHL rather than rushing them...which seems to have worked for Detroit.

I'm more concerned about getting under the cap before the start of the season. Every team in the NHL knows that we are in trouble we will be selling desperate.
- Manitobakid

The Flyers don't have to trade a single player to get under the Cap before the start of the Season.
Does a team that is in trouble Cap wise, make a deal with another player for 2.75M? Bottom line is that the Flyers are not in trouble Cap wise.

Per Aaron Ward of TSN, Florida is kicking the tires on Ilya Bryzgalov.

Per Aaron Ward of TSN, Florida is kicking the tires on Ilya Bryzgalov.
- Jsaquella

Why didn't we have to trade both though? We traded both. Ville Leino was on an expiring contractand became a pretty big part of our team. He clearly wanted to cash in, so he left. Power wanted to cash in. Betts had bad shoulders. Carillo wanted money. These bodies had the replaced. I choose to believe the change up of the mix was forced, not because the Flyers wanted a change.
- dingo8urbaby

Yes. They traded their team captain who they'd signed to a 10-year+ contract to sign a goalie. That's exactly what they did.

Yes. They traded their team captain who they'd signed to a 10-year+ contract to sign a goalie. That's exactly what they did.
- jmatchett383

They shipped both out because of personality issues - plan and simple. They could have found a way to keep one or both, if they wanted to. I don't blame the players 100%, but their actions had a lot to do with them being shipped out. Homer had a decision to make, hold a very good - but potential troublemaker trade him before the no trade clause kicks in. He found a good trade and did it.

The Flyers don't have to trade a single player to get under the Cap before the start of the Season.
Does a team that is in trouble Cap wise, make a deal with another player for 2.75M? Bottom line is that the Flyers are not in trouble Cap wise.
- MJL

I think they are banking on trading Meszaros. Hence his absence from Bill's projected starting lineup.

I think they are banking on trading Meszaros. Hence his absence from Bill's projected starting lineup.
- Feanor

Still have to find a taker. That won't be easy given Meszaros' cap hit/salary situation, combined with nobody being sure if he's healthy enough to handle being a top 4 defenseman at this point of his career.

I think they are banking on trading Meszaros. Hence his absence from Bill's projected starting lineup.
- Feanor

They may be able to trade him at some point. But odds are, he's on the opening day roster.

It's tough reading the overjoyed reactions of so many Wings fans to the news that Cleary won't be on their team anymore. They sound just like us when Briere was finally bought out.

A three year contract for a 34 year old player whose knees are so bad he struggles to get up off the ice...

Who's better 7th man, Gervais or Hal Gill?
- leon neon

The one who already has a contract.

Still have to find a taker. That won't be easy given Meszaros' cap hit/salary situation, combined with nobody being sure if he's healthy enough to handle being a top 4 defenseman at this point of his career.
- Jsaquella

And the fact that there are other unsigned, just-as-productive, non-injured defensemen, who could probably had for much cheaper.