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systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:49 AM ET
Im in a grumpy mood.

I have the day off from work, wasn't expecting it, and have 0 beers and no weed. FML.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:49 AM ET
Oh, I agree. But at the same time, he might still be bitter about his dismissal and would have no interest in helping the team that fired him. Even if it wasn't Nonis who actually fired him.

Though with Burke, he's always been an advocate of allowing teams to trade cap space, so he might have interest in that...if Nonis is willing to hand over a sweet pot of treasure.

- systemtool

Exactly, it would cost the Leafs picks or prospects for Burke to take on cap space
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:49 AM ET
Gunnar plays 1st pairing D minutes, and gets paid like a bottom-end #2 D man. He has limited offense.

Franson has great offense, but has put up a decent 48 game season. He's inconsistent and is a giveaway machine.

- doinktheclown


biggest issue with Gunnarson on the top pair, is his lack of physicality.... which translates in Dion having to do it all and making the large minutes he plays more difficult.

I like Gunnarson as a player, he's fairly reliable although his play last season was very shaky at times... but the team would be better served with a guy like Robyn Regehr from a few years back (in my opinion).

I'm hoping Ranger can regain his Tampa form and add the maturity of age, he's more physical than Gunnarson and he can move the puck a little.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:50 AM ET
Im in a grumpy mood.

I have the day off from work, wasn't expecting it, and have 0 beers and no weed. FML.

- systemtool


simple suggest - go get beer.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:51 AM ET
How is Burke at making trades? Are you sure you want Nonis to trade with him?
- Symba007


Burke was a beast master when it came to making trades while in Toronto. Though he did shart from time to time like the Versteeg trade.

That said, Nonis has done okay himself so far. So far, still early...
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Sep 10 @ 9:51 AM ET
Capgeek says 4.85 mill, then move Liles and you have 8.85 million, I guess hes right.
- bixll


Problem is, if youre moving Liles, youre not likely moving his entire salary.

Leafs can keep up to $1.9M of his salary if need be as he would be their 3rd retained salary until next year where both Scrivens and Frattin's retained salaries expire.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:52 AM ET
simple suggest - go get beer.
- BorjeFan4Ever


Yea, that's the easy part. But having no herbal essence to go with it, im not that motivated. I like to puff while I drink beerski's.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
Im in a grumpy mood.

I have the day off from work, wasn't expecting it, and have 0 beers and no weed. FML.

- systemtool



This is a sad story...
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
with Burke in Calgary, I would hazard a guess that the Leafs might be able to structure a deal that sends Liles plus a prospect out there for a mid-to-late round draft pick.

Burke has always traded with the teams that he previously managed .. and I'm sure that the relationship between Nonis and Burke remains solid. Besides Burke is the one who created the CAP issues that the Leafs do have, which aren't huge - and he's faithful to his own detriment to players he's signed.

- BorjeFan4Ever


BorjeFan4Ever
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Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
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Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
Oh, I agree. But at the same time, he might still be bitter about his dismissal and would have no interest in helping the team that fired him. Even if it wasn't Nonis who actually fired him.

Though with Burke, he's always been an advocate of allowing teams to trade cap space, so he might have interest in that...if Nonis is willing to hand over a sweet pot of treasure.

- systemtool


I'm sure that Burke is bitter - with Leaf ownership. I have no doubt he'll use his pulpit in Calgary to shoot a few darts at the dink from LA... you know Mr. No Legacy....

but I also think Burke is a very much a prudent thinker... he's not going to not take a chance to improve Calgary because he has a bone to pick with some knob head who clearly has little clue how to behave.

If Burke can help Feaster to improve Calgary - he will.
Bullot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Red Deer, AB
Joined: 07.14.2010

Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
What did I place???
- Stee-Dot


I seriously think Nonis has too much respect for him to use him like that, this is a legit chance and a wake-up call to anyone who thinks they are a lock for a job.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
Exactly, it would cost the Leafs picks or prospects for Burke to take on cap space
- Symba007


Liles and Finn for a 4th rd pick?
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
Problem is, if youre moving Liles, youre not likely moving his entire salary.

Leafs can keep up to $1.9M of his salary if need be as he would be their 3rd retained salary until next year where both Scrivens and Frattin's retained salaries expire.

- Colin Dambrauskas



That would still clear off 2 mill.
BorjeFan4Ever
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Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
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Sep 10 @ 9:54 AM ET

- Colin Dambrauskas


ya... but you're not getting Colborne for free.

besides, why would want him... you have Stajan
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:55 AM ET
I'm sure that Burke is bitter - with Leaf ownership. I have no doubt he'll use his pulpit in Calgary to shoot a few darts at the dink from LA... you know Mr. No Legacy....

but I also think Burke is a very much a prudent thinker... he's not going to not take a chance to improve Calgary because he has a bone to pick with some knob head who clearly has little clue how to behave.

If Burke can help Feaster to improve Calgary - he will.

- BorjeFan4Ever


I think we all know that if Burke can rip the Leafs off, he will, because he can smell the desperation. And that is what the issue is. Burke won't help the Leafs, no matter how brosef and broski he is with Nonis, unless he absolutely bends the team over and Lupul/Gardners them into orgasm.

Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Sep 10 @ 9:55 AM ET
Exactly, it would cost the Leafs picks or prospects for Burke to take on cap space
- Symba007


How would you guys feel with:

Toronto
Liles + Colborne

Calgary
2014 3rd round, 2015 4th round


Something to that extent.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 10 @ 9:56 AM ET
How would you guys feel with:

Toronto
Liles + Colborne

Calgary
2014 3rd round, 2015 4th round


Something to that extent.

- Colin Dambrauskas



I want a large regular from Tim Horton's
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:56 AM ET
Yea, that's the easy part. But having no herbal essence to go with it, im not that motivated. I like to puff while I drink beerski's.
- systemtool


apologies... I just didn't want you to be upset without recourse.

depending on where you live... take a wander in the back garden...you'll never know what you might find!
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Sep 10 @ 9:58 AM ET
apologies... I just didn't want you to be upset without recourse.

depending on where you live... take a wander in the back garden...you'll never know what you might find!

- BorjeFan4Ever




I threw a few seeds I got in my stash out in the back yard. I doubt anything came of them.
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Sep 10 @ 9:58 AM ET
Liles and Finn for a 4th rd pick?
- PatC80



If the leafs are in a position that they have to move a young talent like Finn than maybe they have the wrong guy sitting in the GM chair..
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Sep 10 @ 9:59 AM ET
ya... but the Flames are not getting Colborne for free.

besides, why would they want him... they have Stajan

- BorjeFan4Ever


Fixed. And...because the Flames need Colborne for 3rd line as Stajan is OBV their first line guy


But, seriously.

Backlund
Stajan
Colborne
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 10 @ 9:59 AM ET
Yea, that's the easy part. But having no herbal essence to go with it, im not that motivated. I like to puff while I drink beerski's.
- systemtool



I am with you, just make the beer wine, and I am there..

Total herb-avor
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 10 @ 10:00 AM ET
How would you guys feel with:

Toronto
Liles + Colborne

Calgary
2014 3rd round, 2015 4th round


Something to that extent.

- Colin Dambrauskas


nope... no Colborne unless payment is higher. Liles is actually a player that the Flames could use.

in my opinion Flames would be better off asking for Liles plus Orr or Mclaren... that would give them a genuine heavyweight who can stiffen their backs a bit...
McGratten is completely useless.. and I don't believe he's won a fight since he was with Ottawa.
Colin Dambrauskas
Location: Office Chair - @ColinDJD
Joined: 08.04.2010

Sep 10 @ 10:00 AM ET
I want a large regular from Tim Horton's
- bixll


Alright, so counter offer is

Toronto
Liles + Colborne

Calgary
Large Regular from Tim Hortons

...?
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Sep 10 @ 10:04 AM ET
If the leafs are in a position that they have to move a young talent like Finn than maybe they have the wrong guy sitting in the GM chair..
- Fruitcakenipple


oh come on... let's not rip Nonis for the CAP situation.

a better argument, with a ton of real useful facts would be "should have kept Grabovski"... why did we sign Bozak.

Burke deserves the credit for getting the Leafs club shaped up the way he did prior to his departure.... but it was Nonis who quickly undid most of Burke's mistakes (Connolly, Komisarek, Lombardi) that allowed the team to become a team and get into the playoffs.

Burke signed Liles to the overpriced over termed deal.... not Nonis.

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