gunnar: 1st pairing

franson: 3rd pairing

enough said.

a d-man that is mediocre in his own end and gets some high point totals cause he has a nice quick shot is not worth that much.. plain and simple.. typical toronto overhype.
- Dozzer

The over hype is coming from you on the Gunnar part. Franson proved last season to be better than Gunnar at both ends of the ice.

This seems more like a case of dislike than an actual comparison based on performance.

I, for one, don't think Gunnar is top pairing dman on a solid team, and feel Franson can play just as well as he could in any role.

I was just throwing it out there for discussion...there are several teams who are very tight against the cap and will run into problems down the road as the season progresses....Calgary has 13.5M right now with their entire roster signed...they could help a few teams out for compensation such as Colborne for taking on Liles type of deals...especially with Burke there now...only problem is the Flames could only really afford to give away lower draft picks or prospects. So..might not be much interest to the Leafs, really.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Liles and Kulemin for Glencross?

Liles and Kulemin for Glencross?
- PatC80

Liles will go no where if Nonis is expecting to get something in return..The Leafs will have to package a player or draft picks to unload that contract..Dont be expecting anything of value in return..

The over hype is coming from you on the Gunnar part. Franson proved last season to be better than Gunnar at both ends of the ice.

This seems more like a case of dislike than an actual comparison based on performance.

I, for one, don't think Gunnar is top pairing dman on a solid team, and feel Franson can play just as well as he could in any role.
- systemtool

Franson didn't prove anything last year, all he did is show he has the tools to be better. Now he has use them consistently for a full 82 games.

I like him, and think he could eventually replace Gunnarsson at some point. Then Gunnarsson could be moved to make room for some of the younger D in the system.

Liles will go no where if Nonis is expecting to get something in return..The Leafs will have to package a player or draft picks to unload that contract..Dont be expecting anything of value in return..
- Fruitcakenipple

Kulemin has value still

I just dont think it's right to take a stand like this against Franson, but give Gunnar a free pass. I don't think Gunnar has done more to have earned the right to bypass the school of hard knocks, while Franson who had a better year is being asked to take less.
- systemtool

Gunnar plays 1st pairing D minutes, and gets paid like a bottom-end #2 D man. He has limited offense.

Franson has great offense, but has put up a decent 48 game season. He's inconsistent and is a giveaway machine.

Kulemin has value still
- PatC80

Sure but if u package him with Liles u will get no value for him other than cap space..

Franson didn't prove anything last year, all he did is show he has the tools to be better. Now he has use them consistently for a full 82 games.

I like him, and think he could eventually replace Gunnarsson at some point. Then Gunnarsson could be moved to make room for some of the younger D in the system.
- vermie22

This season will be that point. The way he stepped up at both ends of the ice during the plaoffs was pretty evident. He was a step above Gunnar that series, and that tells me a lot.

No risk, high reward.

Gotta make moves like this sometimes to get ahead.
- systemtool

Only issue is, Leafs barely have room to fit in Franson and Kadri(if they have the room for those two)... how do you fit in Raymond?

gunnar: 1st pairing

franson: 3rd pairing

enough said.

a d-man that is mediocre in his own end and gets some high point totals cause he has a nice quick shot is not worth that much.. plain and simple.. typical toronto overhype.
- Dozzer

this is little noticed fact about franson. gardiner has the same problem.

All the phanuef bashing drives me nuts while these 2 guys get free passes.

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why?

he takes what he's offered or he sits

thats the cold hard truth of the situation.
- Dozzer

You drive a tough bargain Dozzer...a cold hard bargain

Only issue is, Leafs barely have room to fit in Franson and Kadri(if they have the room for those two)... how do you fit in Raymond?
- Feeling Glucky?

Oh for sure, but Raymond or no Raymond, the cap situation needs to be sorted out. Moves like this don't hurt the team, but could prove to be a steal if it works out. No loss if they can't sign him.

We do have guys like Trevor Smith against our cap, so consider it an upgrade if MayRay comes cheap.

Only issue is, Leafs barely have room to fit in Franson and Kadri(if they have the room for those two)... how do you fit in Raymond?
- Feeling Glucky?

maybe they're gonna trade Kulemin to make some room and replace him with Raymond? or it's simply injury insurance? can they sign him to a 2-way deal?

So, what are the Flames doing with all of the extra money they have.



Can we interest you in Liles ?
- bixll

According to Burke, nothing at the moment. Though you can only really ever take what Burke says with a grain of salt.

According to Burke, nothing at the moment. Though you can only really ever take what Burke says with a grain of salt.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Yeah right...

Burke do nothing...

Imagine.


Boy I think we will miss him.

Only issue is, Leafs barely have room to fit in Franson and Kadri(if they have the room for those two)... how do you fit in Raymond?
- Feeling Glucky?

From previous page:

$2.875 Kadri
$3.25 Franson
$750k Raymond

with $4.8M remaining it leaves the Leafs around 2M over the cap(which is fine until regular season starts).

If they could find a way to move 2M of Liles' salary for draft picks/prospects, it could work quite nicely, actually.

From previous page:

$2.875 Kadri
$3.25 Franson
$750k Raymond

with $4.8M remaining it leaves the Leafs around 2M over the cap(which is fine until regular season starts).

If they could find a way to move 2M of Liles' salary for draft picks/prospects, it could work quite nicely, actually.
- Colin Dambrauskas

burn is always saying the Leafs actually have close to $8 million in space

Remember MAcArthur coming in a couple years ago and all the Sabre fans telling us how much he sucked?? Had a pretty good run here.


Good times.
- burn

agreed - however MacArthur, like Grabovski priced himself out of a job as the Leafs improved. if he was 2M per year player he'd still be wearing blue.

burn is always saying the Leafs actually have close to $8 million in space
- scotch_tape

They do if they put Lupul on LTIR.. You know, just because

burn is always saying the Leafs actually have close to $8 million in space
- scotch_tape

Capgeek says 4.85 mill, then move Liles and you have 8.85 million, I guess hes right.

burn is always saying the Leafs actually have close to $8 million in space
- scotch_tape

I believe he said they could make up to that much in cap space, if they could shed some salary. At least, thats all I've ever heard him say.

Ive never seen burn claim they have that much in space now. To be fair.

Oh for sure, but Raymond or no Raymond, the cap situation needs to be sorted out. Moves like this don't hurt the team, but could prove to be a steal if it works out. No loss if they can't sign him.

We do have guys like Trevor Smith against our cap, so consider it an upgrade if MayRay comes cheap.
- systemtool

with Burke in Calgary, I would hazard a guess that the Leafs might be able to structure a deal that sends Liles plus a prospect out there for a mid-to-late round draft pick.

Burke has always traded with the teams that he previously managed .. and I'm sure that the relationship between Nonis and Burke remains solid. Besides Burke is the one who created the CAP issues that the Leafs do have, which aren't huge - and he's faithful to his own detriment to players he's signed.

with Burke in Calgary, I would hazard a guess that the Leafs might be able to structure a deal that sends Liles plus a prospect out there for a mid-to-late round draft pick.

Burke has always traded with the teams that he previously managed .. and I'm sure that the relationship between Nonis and Burke remains solid. Besides Burke is the one who created the CAP issues that the Leafs do have, which aren't huge - and he's faithful to his own detriment to players he's signed.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Oh, I agree. But at the same time, he might still be bitter about his dismissal and would have no interest in helping the team that fired him. Even if it wasn't Nonis who actually fired him.

Though with Burke, he's always been an advocate of allowing teams to trade cap space, so he might have interest in that...if Nonis is willing to hand over a sweet pot of treasure.

with Burke in Calgary, I would hazard a guess that the Leafs might be able to structure a deal that sends Liles plus a prospect out there for a mid-to-late round draft pick.

Burke has always traded with the teams that he previously managed .. and I'm sure that the relationship between Nonis and Burke remains solid. Besides Burke is the one who created the CAP issues that the Leafs do have, which aren't huge - and he's faithful to his own detriment to players he's signed.
- BorjeFan4Ever

How is Burke at making trades? Are you sure you want Nonis to trade with him?

burn is always saying the Leafs actually have close to $8 million in space
- scotch_tape

Burn keeps calculating 10% over the cap as its still preseason...but, theres no sense in saying the Leafs have $4.8M + 10% as regular season isnt exactly that far away.