Marked, and staying out of it.. Later.
- bixll

Yea...beer run time.

Edit: same, (frank) gunner
- Mapleleafs_91

+1

so after Bozak vs Grabovski, this is the new thing people argue over?

Yea...beer run time.
- systemtool

Me too

*runs to the fridge*

I did. I have no way of knowing if you did or didn't. Your reaction to it is childish.

You miss alot of games playing band in bars. How the eff do I know if you watched most of the games. Especially if you insist Franson, who was better than Gunnar, wasn't better than Gunnar.

I thought McCabe and Kaberle provided alot of great and entertaining years for the fans until the team fell apart. I thought they were great for the team for a few years, but wore their welcome out in the new NHL post lockout. You probably thought Frogren was a steal at the time, didn't you?

Good day.
- systemtool

cause bars dont have tvs right? you do realize my sets are generally after game time?... good try tho.

when mccabe and kaberle signed those contracts my reactuion was it was serious overpayment for one dimensional players.. much like franson.

so after Bozak vs Grabovski, this is the new thing people argue over?
- Symba007

Discussing

Bruce... are you hungover again?

...I see more potential in Franson than a 5th or 6th defenseman. Sorry?
- Colin Dambrauskas

you dont pay a 26-27 year old guy for potential colin.. he isnt going to get much better than what he already is.

just a simple fact.

cause bars dont have tvs right? you do realize my sets are generally after game time?... good try tho.

when mccabe and kaberle signed those contracts my reactuion was it was serious overpayment for one dimensional players.. much like franson.
- Dozzer

I hope he makes you eat your words

I'm sure you do too!!!!!

We bashed him when he was on he Canucks. You guys are so sensitive.

Oh and the answer is Booth.
- dshiddy

Where you been hiding? Any predictions for the upcoming season?

holy (frank) guys.. he's a 5th 6th d-man
- Dozzer

grabo is going to light it up this year.. mark my words.
- Dozzer

Holy sh!t Bruce ... Put the bong down

Bruce... are you hungover again?
- Stee-Dot

nope..

my distaste for franson as a player goes back to the day the leafs got him

go check if you dont believe me.

i've tried to like him.. but unless he's sheltered in his matchups.. he's simply not that great.

I hope he makes you eat your words

I'm sure you do too!!!!!
- Garnie

personally i hope they sign and trade him

nope..

my distaste for franson as a player goes back to the day the leafs got him

go check if you dont believe me.

i've tried to like him.. but unless he's sheltered in his matchups.. he's simply not that great.
- Dozzer

Should've kept Lebderp ?

personally i hope they sign and trade him
- Dozzer

He just turned 26 in August and all I read are good things about him!!!!

But hey not everybody likes all the same players

I hope he turns into a gem and we didn't pay Lombardi 3.5 to skate around bumping into the boards!!!!

as a defenseman your job is defense first offense second.

if you cant do the first thing the second really doesnt matter.
- Dozzer

But this is what I mean...can you really not say that Franson made nice improvements in his defensive and physical game last year? I certainly thought so.

Hes a younger, big bodied defenseman who I personally feel has room to develop his game under Carlyle. If he really is nothing more than a 5th/6th defender in Carlyle's eyes than yes...I completely agree with you.

I know most dont care about advanced stats, but heres some info anyways on Franson which furthers my point as to why I feel hes more than a $2M guy.

http://www.pensionplanpup...earn-to-love-cody-franson

as a defenseman your job is defense first offense second.

if you cant do the first thing the second really doesnt matter.
- Dozzer

you're taking such a black-and-white approach to this and that's not how the NHL works. Tomas Kaberle is a perfect example. he was junk in his own zone. now that he's been put out to pasture, even Leaf fans admit that he was a train wreck when he actually had to play defence. but the thing about Kaberle was that when he was on the ice, the team didn't play defence as much. because Kaberle could drive offence. he could execute a breakout, he could carry the puck up ice, he could carry the puck out of trouble, he could help the Leafs maintain offensive pressure from his spot on the point. he was a very good hockey player in his prime, an All Star. it didn't matter that he was crap in his own end because he more than compensated for it. guys like that have a certain value.

you're taking such a black-and-white approach to this and that's not how the NHL works. Tomas Kaberle is a perfect example. he was junk in his own zone. now that he's been put out to pasture, even Leaf fans admit that he was a train wreck when he actually had to play defence. but the thing about Kaberle was that when he was on the ice, the team didn't play defence as much. because Kaberle could drive offence. he could execute a breakout, he could carry the puck up ice, he could carry the puck out of trouble, he could help the Leafs maintain offensive pressure from his spot on the point. he was a very good hockey player in his prime, an All Star. it didn't matter that he was crap in his own end because he more than compensated for it. guys like that have a certain value.
- scotch_tape

I sure the Habs would take him for free

But this is what I mean...can you really not say that Franson made nice improvements in his defensive and physical game last year? I certainly thought so.

Hes a younger, big bodied defenseman who I personally feel has room to develop his game under Carlyle. If he really is nothing more than a 5th/6th defender in Carlyle's eyes than yes...I completely agree with you.

I know most dont care about advanced stats, but heres some info anyways on Franson which furthers my point as to why I feel hes more than a $2M guy.

http://www.pensionplanpup...earn-to-love-cody-franson
- Colin Dambrauskas

fine.. i'll back down.. but the only reason his game improved last season was because the system improved..

he was more of a beneficiary than anything.

you're taking such a black-and-white approach to this and that's not how the NHL works. Tomas Kaberle is a perfect example. he was junk in his own zone. now that he's been put out to pasture, even Leaf fans admit that he was a train wreck when he actually had to play defence. but the thing about Kaberle was that when he was on the ice, the team didn't play defence as much. because Kaberle could drive offence. he could execute a breakout, he could carry the puck up ice, he could carry the puck out of trouble, he could help the Leafs maintain offensive pressure from his spot on the point. he was a very good hockey player in his prime, an All Star. it didn't matter that he was crap in his own end because he more than compensated for it. guys like that have a certain value.
- scotch_tape

and i was fine with him when he was making a adequate amount of money.. it wasnt until he signed the big contract that i had an issue with him

i recognize not every player is going to be well rounded.. but they shouldnt be paid like a complete player if they arent one.

you're taking such a black-and-white approach to this and that's not how the NHL works. Tomas Kaberle is a perfect example. he was junk in his own zone. now that he's been put out to pasture, even Leaf fans admit that he was a train wreck when he actually had to play defence. but the thing about Kaberle was that when he was on the ice, the team didn't play defence as much. because Kaberle could drive offence. he could execute a breakout, he could carry the puck up ice, he could carry the puck out of trouble, he could help the Leafs maintain offensive pressure from his spot on the point. he was a very good hockey player in his prime, an All Star. it didn't matter that he was crap in his own end because he more than compensated for it. guys like that have a certain value.
- scotch_tape

Exactly.
I don't think Coffey or Letang would be considered great defensively.




So what you are saying is Franson = Coffey???
Wow....didn't expect that out of you.

fine.. i'll back down.. but the only reason his game improved last season was because the system improved..

he was more of a beneficiary than anything.
- Dozzer

Or he's GREAT playing 3rd pairing

Hey Dozzer ever heard of a band called Blinker The Star??

Exactly.
I don't think Coffey or Letang would be considered great defensively.




So what you are saying is Franson = Coffey???
Wow....didn't expect that out of you.
- stormey

Letang is WAY overpaid.

Or he's GREAT playing 3rd pairing

Hey Dozzer ever heard of a band called Blinker The Star??
- Garnie

rings a bell.. ontario band?

for some reason i think i've heard of them

Letang is WAY overpaid.
- Dozzer

not yet.