I never draft the Twins or Ovechkin, they dont make my top 10, I just cant cheer for them to get points.
- DDM-Coga

Ovechkin is dominant. Can't deny it.



Personal bias can't overrule logic and reason now.

Yeah guys, Hall and Tavares both are great top ten picks this year. For top five though, outside of Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin...and then so many guys close in points, it's a real tough call.

I notice in mock drafts there's a real change with some old but still big names and a new wave of young players, and names are all over the board. It's a real tough call on a lot of these guys.

As for Ovechkin I've picked him with 2nd overall a couple of times and I was disappointed because they were his down (for him) years...I swore to never pick him top ten again, but after this past year I would. He's a great fantasy player too if you have hits, he gets a ton of hits.

I'm going to end up picking a lot of Leafs and Oilers. Everyone in my pool is either a Leaf fan or Leaf hater so there's this phobia about picking Leafs which is stupid because they have some great picks as do the Oilers. Just forget about plus/minus.

I thought RNH was going to be my steal last year, I really wonder about him again, if he's healthy nobody will pick him and he could rip it up on that team. Having two or three Oilers could be amazing for points and PP.

If the Leafs could dump Phaneuf somewhere they would have money for Kadri and Franson.

But what is an overpaid younger version of Sheldon Souray worth in a trade?
- Coburns_Nose

Phaneuf will be earning more money next season.

I wonder this every time its mentioned, im thinking why does he get so much flak, i personally would love to see him in detroit
- digitalbath

Phaneuf is terribly underrated.

And with the minutes he logs and stats he puts up, how can anyone say he's overpaid?

Phaneuf is terribly underrated.

And with the minutes he logs and stats he puts up, how can anyone say he's overpaid?
- RogerRoeper

People who dismiss Phaneuf don't usually use stats I notice

People who dismiss Phaneuf don't usually use stats I notice
- Zezel

Stats are for puzzies.

People who dismiss Phaneuf don't usually use stats I notice
- Zezel

They can't. Phaneuf's stats are great. He's averaging well over 40 points a season in his career. And he literally logged the toughest minutes in the entire NHL last season.

I especially love the "He should be getting 3 or 4 million" comments.

Ovechkin is dominant. Can't deny it.



Personal bias can't overrule logic and reason now.
- robin_steele264

Just cant do it, I hate having the number 4-5 pick in the draft just so I can avoid that situation.

Tyler Myers would have to turn it up several notches, he's been garbage for the past 2 years. Anyone who thinks that Buffalo has a better defenseman right now than Phaneuf has no clue what they're watching.
- Jeffmt

I would take Myers and Ehrhoff over Phaneuf any day. And believe it or not, I attend a lot of NHL games. Go figure.

I would take Myers and Ehrhoff over Phaneuf any day. And believe it or not, I attend a lot of NHL games. Go figure.
- bloatedmosquito

They are both much, much worse.

They can't. Phaneuf's stats are great. He's averaging well over 40 points a season in his career. And he literally logged the toughest minutes in the entire NHL last season.

I especially love the "He should be getting 3 or 4 million" comments.
- RogerRoeper

Literally or figuratively? Pure opinion and nothing more.

Literally or figuratively? Pure opinion and nothing more.
- bloatedmosquito

No it's actually fact.

No it's actually fact.
- RogerRoeper

Please provide facts.

Ovechkin is dominant. Can't deny it.



Personal bias can't overrule logic and reason now.
- robin_steele264

Sometimes. Other times he's just pretty good.

Just cant do it, I hate having the number 4-5 pick in the draft just so I can avoid that situation.
- DDM-Coga

One of 8 players ever to win 3 MVP's.


Gotta give credit when it's due.

Sometimes. Other times he's just pretty good.
- Jeffmt

His 'pretty good' times are still pretty (frank)ing good

They can't. Phaneuf's stats are great. He's averaging well over 40 points a season in his career. And he literally logged the toughest minutes in the entire NHL last season.

I especially love the "He should be getting 3 or 4 million" comments.
- RogerRoeper

I'd say 5ish is fair.


It's not the stats... It's just the way he plays.

I would take Myers and Ehrhoff over Phaneuf any day. And believe it or not, I attend a lot of NHL games. Go figure.
- bloatedmosquito

And you probably see a lot of Buffalo out there in Vancouver. Based on my recent exchanges with you it doesn't surprise me that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to get into it tonight though, have fun.

Phaneuf will be earning more money next season.
- RogerRoeper

Most likely won't be on the Leafs if that's the case IMO

And you probably see a lot of Buffalo out there in Vancouver. Based on my recent exchanges with you it doesn't surprise me that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to get into it tonight though, have fun.
- Jeffmt

Myers sucks. There's no argument there right now.

His 'pretty good' times are still pretty (frank)ing good



- robin_steele264

Yeah for sure, but if I was a fantasy guy (which I'm not) and I used the second or third overall pick on him, and all I got was his "pretty good" I'd feel like I wasted a pick.

Yeah guys, Hall and Tavares both are great top ten picks this year. For top five though, outside of Crosby, Stamkos, Malkin, Ovechkin...and then so many guys close in points, it's a real tough call.

I notice in mock drafts there's a real change with some old but still big names and a new wave of young players, and names are all over the board. It's a real tough call on a lot of these guys.

As for Ovechkin I've picked him with 2nd overall a couple of times and I was disappointed because they were his down (for him) years...I swore to never pick him top ten again, but after this past year I would. He's a great fantasy player too if you have hits, he gets a ton of hits.

I'm going to end up picking a lot of Leafs and Oilers. Everyone in my pool is either a Leaf fan or Leaf hater so there's this phobia about picking Leafs which is stupid because they have some great picks as do the Oilers. Just forget about plus/minus.

I thought RNH was going to be my steal last year, I really wonder about him again, if he's healthy nobody will pick him and he could rip it up on that team. Having two or three Oilers could be amazing for points and PP.
- Zezel

One thing I like is they aren't rushing RNH at all. Might miss a month. No biggie long term.

Yeah for sure, but if I was a fantasy guy (which I'm not) and I used the second or third overall pick on him, and all I got was his "pretty good" I'd feel like I wasted a pick.
- Jeffmt

First overall gotta be Crosby wether you like it or not.

One thing I like is they aren't rushing RNH at all. Might miss a month. No biggie long term.
- robin_steele264

What's the deal with him? Is it still the shoulder issue? And yeah, if he has to miss a month he has to miss a month. Given where the Oilers are right now it doesn't make sense to start taking risks with anyone's health.

First overall gotta be Crosby wether you like it or not.
- robin_steele264

Yes, hands down the best player in the league. As a complete player I really don't think anyone else comes close right now.