So, Morrow's playoffs were more impressive because his team got further? He didn't play well in the playoffs, he ran out of gas. So yeah, Cleary's playoff work was more impressive than Morrow's, because Cleary put up his numbers against the first and second seeds in the West, while Morrow's team played the 7 and 8 seeds in the East.

That's like saying Thomas Vokoun is better than Henrik Lundqvist because his team went deeper in the playoffs. When comparing individual players, how deep the team went is, at best, a secondary concern
- Jsaquella

Actually Cleary had plenty of missed opportunities and was a topic of complaint a few times on the radio here in Detroit. If Cleary was that great, he would have a new topic with the Wings. Believe me when I say, they do not shy away from the old timers.

Actually Cleary had plenty of missed opportunities and was a topic of complaint a few times on the radio. If Cleary was that great, he would have a new topic with the Wings. Believe me when I say, they do not shy away from the old timers.
- dingo8urbaby

The Red Wings offered him a contract, and remain interested in bringing him back, but they don't have the cap room after signing Alfredsson and Weiss.

If Morrow was still great, how is it that he isn't fielding 3 offers, like Cleary? He's turning down PTO offers.

The Red Wings offered him a contract, and remain interested in bringing him back, but they don't have the cap room after signing Alfredsson and Weiss.

If Morrow was still great, how is it that he isn't fielding 3 offers, like Cleary? He's turning down PTO offers.
- Jsaquella

Why isn't Cleary accepting these offers? What is he being offered? Who was Cleary playing with in this one great playoff? Cleary is not a consistent player. He's too proud to stay put on a tryout in Detroit. Is Gagne that proud or is he loyal to the team he's most familiar with. Talk up Cleary's playoff run but I need more then that to be impressed. Cleary is also as injury prone as they come. Gagne is my first choice and Morrow is my second. You've gotta make the playoffs before you can do anything in the playoffs.

Why isn't Cleary accepting these offers? What is he being offered? Who was Cleary playing with in this one great playoffs? Cleary is not a consistent player. He's too proud to stay put on a tryout in Detroit. Is Gagne that proud or is a loyal to the team he's most familiar with. Talk up Cleary's playoff but I need more then that to be impressed. Cleary is also as injury prone as they come. Gagne is my first choice and Morrow is my second. You've gotta make the playoffs before you can do anything in the playoffs.
- dingo8urbaby

Cleary's stated preference is to remain in Detroit, but the cap situation is preventing him from re-signing now.

He also doesn't want to attend any camp on a tryout, he wants a contract. Which is actually pretty smart, since he was reportedly offered deals back in July and was waiting on Detroit. Why should he report on a PTO and risk injury when he has offers waiting for him elsewhere?

Cleary is not as injury prone as Gagne. In the past 3 seasons, Gagne has missed 77 out of a possible 212 games. That's nearly 40% of the games. Cleary has missed 19 over the same span.

As for loyalty, I prefer a guy that can fit the needs of the team. I feel Cleary does that better than Gagne. They don't need a fading former 47 goal scorer, they need a guy who has some sandpaper to his game, to create room for guys like Read and Couturier.

I'm not against bringing back Gagne, I just prefer Cleary.

Cleary's stated preference is to remain in Detroit, but the cap situation is preventing him from re-signing now.

He also doesn't want to attend any camp on a tryout, he wants a contract. Which is actually pretty smart, since he was reportedly offered deals back in July and was waiting on Detroit. Why should he report on a PTO and risk injury when he has offers waiting for him elsewhere?

Cleary is not as injury prone as Gagne. In the past 3 seasons, Gagne has missed 77 out of a possible 212 games. That's nearly 40% of the games. Cleary has missed 19 over the same span.

As for loyalty, I prefer a guy that can fit the needs of the team. I feel Cleary does that better than Gagne. They don't need a fading former 47 goal scorer, they need a guy who has some sandpaper to his game, to create room for guys like Read and Couturier.

I'm not against bringing back Gagne, I just prefer Cleary.
- Jsaquella

Who the heck is Dan Cleary though?

Who the heck is Dan Cleary though?
- dingo8urbaby

He's a solid grinder that brings grit, decent hands and speed to the third line, which is precisely what they need.

My personal preference is to use one of the kids on hand, but if they go the veteran route, I'd go with Cleary, then Gagne. No interest in Brendan Morrow at this stage of his career.

He's a solid grinder that brings grit, decent hands and speed to the third line, which is precisely what they need.

My personal preference is to use one of the kids on hand, but if they go the veteran route, I'd go with Cleary, then Gagne. No interest in Brendan Morrow at this stage of his career.
- Jsaquella

I know exactly who Dan Cleary is and the difference between him and Morrow is a toss up. If Cleary is getting offers elsewhere, god bless, they can have him.

I know exactly who Dan Cleary is and the difference between him and Morrow are a toss up. If Cleary is getting offers elsewhere, god bless, they can have him.
- dingo8urbaby

Neither guy is make or break, it's filling a third line hole, that isn't anything critical.

I disagree that it's a toss up between him and Morrow, because Cleary still has decent speed.

Neither guy is make or break, it's filling a third line hole, that isn't anything critical.

I disagree that it's a toss up between him and Morrow, because Cleary still has decent speed.
- Jsaquella

Like I said, it didn't help Cleary in the regular season. I don't wanna sign a guy based on two rounds.

Philadelphia Flyers ‏@NHLFlyers 4m

INJURY UPDATE: #Flyers (D) Mark Alt suffered a concussion in today's Flyers-Capitals rookie game. More to come in the game recap.

One game, one concussion. Not wasting any time. Setting the pace early.
- PLindbergh31

ugh.

For me, it comes down to the player's expected role on the team. If we're looking for a guy to be a role player, a grinder with some grit to play on the third line with the young kids, then Cleary is better at that role than Gagne.

If we want a guy who can play more in the top six, and play the PP if needed, then I'd give the edge to Gagne.

In general, I feel if you want a role player, you should get a guy who has been a role player his entire career. Not a guy who was an elite scoring winger, and is trying to become a role player in the later stages of his career. Not a hard and fast rule - there are always exceptions. But for what the Flyers need (or are perceived to need), I think Cleary is a better fit that Gagne.

That said, I like Gagne and don't think he'd necessarily hurt the team if they sign him. I just like Cleary better for the role of third line grinder.

Like I said, it didn't help Cleary in the regular season. I don't wanna sign a guy based on two rounds.
- dingo8urbaby

It's based on his career to date...I also don't want to base a decision off a shortened 48 game season, that had teams struggling without training camps.

ugh.

- -davies-

don't worry, we have Hal Gill now.

don't worry, we have Hal Gill now.
- BringBack25

Hal Gill for President of the Universe.

1-0 on the road to victory!

Hal Gill for President of the Universe.
- JAKEw1234

Wait, I thought he WAS President of The Universe.

1-0 on the road to victory!
- 2Real

I'm honestly surprised they haven't just given us the Vince Lombardi already. It seems like an inevitability at this point.

Wait, I thought he WAS President of The Universe.

- MBFlyerfan

No, I can see how you got that idea though. His Christmas card last year made a of people think that, but it still isn't official yet.

Rumours abound that Cleary is a Flyer.

Per Helene St James on Twitter, Cleary will sign with Flyers, 3 years, $2.75mm cap hit, NTC...deal goes into effect at end of month, which helps the Flyers make cap room

Bye bye Gags

3 yrs and a NTC though? REALLY?!

Per Helene St James on Twitter, Cleary will sign with Flyers, 3 years, $2.75mm cap hit, NTC...deal goes into effect at end of month, which helps the Flyers make cap room
- Jsaquella

kind of figured gagne wasn't coming if he hasn't been invited to camp by now...guess this seals it, eh?

If anyone is surprised at the NTC, I have to ask


REALLY? He was getting a NTC. There was really no way that he was signing without one.

kind of figured gagne wasn't coming if he hasn't been invited to camp by now...guess this seals it, eh?
- hammarby31

I'd say yeah, for sure.

Per Helene St James on Twitter, Cleary will sign with Flyers, 3 years, $2.75mm cap hit, NTC...deal goes into effect at end of month, which helps the Flyers make cap room
- Jsaquella

unreal how fast wikipedia is