The Leafs are softer than baby poop.
- systemtool

Who could be as though as the Sens. they are the boogyman of the NHL, everyone is afraid of them. They are monsters.


Good old Tommy devito.

Kadri is not worth anything over 2.5 - 3 max!
I love how people over value kadri so much that they are willing to believe their BS.
Duchene had already had a 67 and a 55 point season and showed he was a skilled NHL'er.
Kadri has had one decent half a half season.
Not even close
- Fakepartofme

For me, this all comes down to what you think of Kadri now and what you think he will be in 2-6 years. I see him as a guy who could get 50-70 points now, and potentially reach a height of being a 65-85 point player. With that guesstimate and projection in mind, I find it would be in my best interests as a GM to sign him long term now for 4 million over 5-6 years, and over pay for a season or two but save big money for the majority of his contract. Just like I wish we did with Franson last year, and how I like JVRs contract. It's better than seeing Kadri have another good year and then demand even more moeny.

I suppose Nonis has to ask himself the same question. If he feels Kadri can and will be a future top player, sign him long term. If not, then trade him now or sign him for a year or two and trade him before that contract expires. It seems like we all expect Kadri to have a good season, so why do a bridge deal that you know is going to cost you even more money to sign him after the fact. Either way, it's a gamble.

Who could be as though as the Sens. they are the boogyman of the NHL, everyone is afraid of them. They are monsters.


Good old Tommy devito.
- burn

Well, in fairness, the Habs are scared of them.

Kadri is not worth anything over 2.5 - 3 max!
I love how people over value kadri so much that they are willing to believe their BS.
Duchene had already had a 67 and a 55 point season and showed he was a skilled NHL'er.
Kadri has had one decent half a half season.
Not even close
- Fakepartofme

KAdri (in half a season) scored 7 less pts than duchene (in a full year) right before he signed his bridge. Yeah, not even close.

3mil is fair value..... it's a matter of KAdri agreeing.

KAdri (in half a season) scored 7 less pts than duchene (in a full year) right before he signed his bridge. Yeah, not even close.

3mil is fair value..... it's a matter of KAdri agreeing.
- burn

I think so too. He made 1.75ish last year with his bonuses. No reason not to give him at least a million raise knowing he exceeded expectations last year and that you will be relying on him more this year with a bigger role. 48 game season or not, we all say the talent this kid has. Seems like he's just getting started...

This comes down to the point I'm making. Kadri just matched Duchene, they had identical seasons for the most part. While Duchene has the longer track record, what is he making now? 6 million a year. This is why you lock down Kadri now for 4-4.5 milllion long term so that he doesn't bridge his way to 6 million a year. We all saw the kids talent, and he's only going to get better now with better line mates and more ice time.

For me, this all comes down to what you think of Kadri now and what you think he will be in 2-6 years. I see him as a guy who could get 50-70 points now, and potentially reach a height of being a 65-85 point player. With that guesstimate and projection in mind, I find it would be in my best interests as a GM to sign him long term now for 4 million over 5-6 years, and over pay for a season or two but save big money for the majority of his contract. Just like I wish we did with Franson last year, and how I like JVRs contract. It's better than seeing Kadri have another good year and then demand even more moeny.

I suppose Nonis has to ask himself the same question. If he feels Kadri can and will be a future top player, sign him long term. If not, then trade him now or sign him for a year or two and trade him before that contract expires. It seems like we all expect Kadri to have a good season, so why do a bridge deal that you know is going to cost you even more money to sign him after the fact. Either way, it's a gamble.
- systemtool

Nonis cant afford to sign him long term now...simply no space.
Signing players to contracts because of what you think they could potentially be is what has gotten the leafs into so many cap issues and bad contracts in the past.
Kadri has yet to show he is anything but a 50 point player. Id rather not overpay him now for what he isn't and potentially pay him more later for what he actually is, than overpay now for something he could never be.

Nonis cant afford to sign him long term now...simply no space.
Signing players to contracts because of what you think they could potentially be is what has gotten the leafs into so many cap issues and bad contracts in the past.
Kadri has yet to show he is anything but a 50 point player. Id rather not overpay him now for what he isn't and potentially pay him more later for what he actually is, than overpay now for something he could never be.
- Fakepartofme

You're going to be over paying regardless. If you bridge him and he produces, it's over pay out the ass time.

Signing players is gamble at any point. You have to trust your insticts and your scouts and try to lock down your better players earlier and for cheaper.

Kadri showed me he is more than a 50 point player, it's not his fault there wasn't enough season to break that mark. He was having a bad April, but I have no doubt he could have gotten at least 15 points if they played the 34 games the lockout stole from the fans.

KAdri (in half a season) scored 7 less pts than duchene (in a full year) right before he signed his bridge. Yeah, not even close.

3mil is fair value..... it's a matter of KAdri agreeing.
- burn

Duchene put up 67 pts and 55 pts in years prior to signing his bridge deal.

You're going to be over paying regardless. If you bridge him and he produces, it's over pay out the ass time.
Signing players is gamble at any point. You have to trust your insticts and your scouts and try to lock down your better players earlier and for cheaper.

Kadri showed me he is more than a 50 point player, it's not his fault there wasn't enough season to break that mark. He was having a bad April, but I have no doubt he could have gotten at least 15 points if they played the 34 games the lockout stole from the fans.
- systemtool

No, than you are not overpaying him...you are paying him what he is worth.
I have no problems paying Kadri if he consistently produces.
But Kadri has only shown that he has had one good inconsistent season...that's it.
2.5 - 3 million...I wouldn't pay him a penny more.

Duchene put up 67 pts and 55 pts in years prior to signing his bridge deal.

- Fakepartofme

He also was making 3.2 million in those seasons with his bonuses included. Kadri only made 1.7 with his bonuses.

No, than you are not overpaying him...you are paying him what he is worth.
I have no problems paying Kadri if he consistently produces.
But Kadri has only shown that he has had one good inconsistent season...that's it.
2.5 - 3 million...I wouldn't pay him a penny more.
- Fakepartofme

His season was as constistent as Kessels. Not as good of a season, but thats not expected. Both had about month long struggles, at different times of the season.

I have no problem over paying him now and saving later for longer, than trying to save now and paying way more later.

Just like we're getting screwed now because we did the same with Franson.

Duchene put up 67 pts and 55 pts in years prior to signing his bridge deal.

- Fakepartofme

55pts in a full year >>>> 48 in half a year??

His season was as constistent as Kessels. Not as good of a season, but thats not expected. Both had about month long struggles, at different times of the season.

I have no problem over paying him now and saving later for longer, than trying to save now and paying way more later.
Just like we're getting screwed now because we didn't do the same for Franson.
- systemtool

Kessel did not struggle for a month...Kadri was invisible at times...besides, Kessel has proven time and time again...he can disappear for a couple of games and still put 30 goals...kadri hasn't proven anything.
The above theory might be acceptable if the cap was around 70 million like it will be next year.....but its not...we cant afford to overpay as we have to sign franson and save some room for a trade if the leafs are in the mix come the trade deadline

55pts in a full year >>>> 48 in half a year??
- burn

It wasn't half a year, it was 58.5% of a year, duh!

And he got 44, not 48... (projects to 75 in a season, not too bad )

55pts in a full year >>>> 48 in half a year??
- burn

And a year later he put up 67 pts and 28 pts during an injury riddled year.(58 games)
So two good years and one rough year, prior to signing his bridge deal.
Kadri has 30 good games!

Kessel did not struggle for a month...Kadri was invisible at times...besides, Kessel has proven time and time again...he can disappear for a couple of games and still put 30 goals...kadri hasn't proven anything.
The above theory might be acceptable if the cap was around 70 million like it will be next year.....but its not...we cant afford to overpay as we have to sign franson and save some room for a trade if the leafs are in the mix come the trade deadline
- Fakepartofme

We will be over paying and that's the point. Not paying when you should have paid is why we still have to sign Franson. These are young guys, they aren't Liles. Franson is now asking for alot more han he was asking for last year. Too bad we didn't lock him down then.

We will have no room to do anything more than sign Franson and Kadri now. If we even can.

It wasn't half a year, it was 58.5% of a year, duh!

And he got 44, not 48... (projects to 75 in a season, not too bad )
- lumlums

Exactly. It's not the kids fault there weren't enough games. I doubt he would have gotten 75 points, but no reason to think he couldn't realisticly hit 60 points easily.

We will be over paying and that's the point. Not paying when you should have paid is why we still have to sign Franson. These are young guys, they aren't Liles. Franson is now asking for alot more han he was asking for last year. Too bad we didn't lock him down then.

We will have no room to do anything more than sign Franson and Kadri now. If we even can.
- systemtool

Oh ya Franson should have been locked up on at least a 2-3 year deal last season.

Oh ya Franson should have been locked up on at least a 2-3 year deal last season.
- Fakepartofme

Also, imo, should have been signed before Gunnar this offseason.

Exactly. It's not the kids fault there weren't enough games. I doubt he would have gotten 75 points, but no reason to think he couldn't realisticly hit 60 points easily.
- systemtool

When Duchene signed his bridge deal he had approximately 150 NHL points.
Kadri now has approximately 66 pts.

The two aren't comparable...people need to get pass the blinded view of basing everything off of one season.

Also, imo, should have been signed before Gunnar this offseason.
- systemtool

I agree...but you sign players when they are available to sign I guess.

Alright gents, the kids are causing a raucous....have a good Saturday!

When Duchene signed his bridge deal he had approximately 150 NHL points.
Kadri now has approximately 66 pts.

The two aren't comparable...people need to get pass the blinded view of basing everything off of one season.
- Fakepartofme

And Duchene was making 3.2 million then and Kadri was making 1.7 million. It's not unfair to suggest Kadri gets a raise to what Duchene got paid at the beginning of his career.

After the seasons they had, almost identical seasons, why can't we start comparing them?

And Duchene was making 3.2 million then and Kadri was making 1.7 million. It's not unfair to suggest Kadri gets a raise to what Duchene got paid at the beginning of his career.

After the seasons they had, almost identical seasons, why can't we start comparing them?
- systemtool

Jeff Marek ‏@JeffMarek 1h
Johansson: 183gp, 95pts 30 playoff games, 11pts $2m. Kadri: 99gp, 63pts, 7 playoff games 4 points. $?????

Jeff Marek ‏@JeffMarek 1h
Johansson: 183gp, 95pts 30 playoff games, 11pts $2m. Kadri: 99gp, 63pts, 7 playoff games 4 points. $?????
- burn

4mil