Just because the Bruins felt Seguin was an immature player at the age of 21 does not make the trade a win for the Leafs. I agree with everything else you have said but Seguin has lots of time to become a better player then Phil and Dougie is just icing on the cake. Burke has done a hell of a job with trades but I still don't believe he wins that trade untill Seguin tops out as a 50 point guy and Hamilton is a 4-5 guy but both these players have 5-6 years before they can truly be considered that. Let's just say the Leafs won't be considered the winner of that trade for years if they are.
- blizzzard

Also there's that Loui Eriksson guy...

Fair enough. But I'll ask you this...we've had Kessel for 4 years now and during that time we've had the upper hand in this trade...without a doubt. As we stand today the Bruins have officially given up on Seguin and Hamilton still isn't good enough to play on an everyday basis.

At what point would YOU consider this trade a win for the Leafs? How long do we have to wait for these kids to actually have an impact before what we've already gotten out of Kessel (a top 10 scorer), and what we will continue to get out of this 25 year old, will still be greater?

I was against the trade at the time (the timing of it), but at this point I think it's unlikely the Bruins will ever get as much out of it as the Leafs.
- djamon

AT the time it seemed like you guys got fleeced, but in reality Seguin is just not that good. I would take Kessel over Seguin....

It was Muckler's team when the Sens went to the cup. Problem was, he was terrible at managing the cap, and screwed the Sens with Redden over Chara and the Heatley trade.

There was a ton of work to be done when Murray went to Ottawa.

What has Murray done?
Drafted a top 3 NHL Dman 15th overall.
Got out of the Heatley fiasco with a better player
Drafted a top 4 Dman who will be an absolute beast (Cowen).
Traded a bottom 6 winger for a top four Dman and a team Canada invite (Foligno for Methot).
Traded for the goalie with the best numbers in the NHL last season.
Traded an AHL Dman (Rundblad) for a 2nd line center (Turris).
Drafted another great goaltender which now gives Ottawa the best tandem in the league.
Drafted two guys that he was able to send to Ahaheim for a 30 goal scorer (a late first rounder and an early 2nd rounder for the 2nd overall pick in Ryan).
Traded a 2nd round pick for a goaltender (Bishop) that he then moved for a guy that had a ton of points in his rookie season (Conacher).
Made a ton of good draft picks that pretty much fill out the rest of the team.

Seriously..just look at Murray's draft history and compare that to Burke. It's night and day.

All of this, while operating with a ridiculous internal cap.
- Charliebox

Traded 1st round pick (Tarasenko) for Rundblad?

Also there's that Loui Eriksson guy...
- glove_was_stuck

Yea but I don't like to web all of that together and I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't but I don't do that

Anyone who thinks the Kessel trade is still bad for the leafs has some serious beer goggles on, Seguin just isn't what they projected... it happens, and Hamilton will be a decent 3 man. Leafs don't make the playoffs without Kessel, Boston easily gets in and goes deep without either of them... and this is several years after the trade (immediate win was leafs gaining 30+ goals). Perhaps in the culmination of both Seguin and Hamilton's career totals, they might surpass silly Philly. Might. But even then, it's a demonstrative "W" for Burke on that one. Sorry fans of other teams who hate the Leafs, it's the way she goes.

Traded 1st round pick (Tarasenko) for Rundblad?
- daws44

mr charlie likes to cherry pick info and throw in some false data to form his opinions...

I do think Murray did a better job since 2008 than Burke...but Burke has a cup, Murray has been a GM for many years back to 1990 and has none so far..thats a lot of experience with no results.

Burkie'll be taking a "roll," eh? Are we talking a dinner bun, or a somersault?

Enlighten me, please. I never went to journalism school.

Anyone who thinks the Kessel trade is still bad for the leafs has some serious beer goggles on, Seguin just isn't what they projected... it happens, and Hamilton will be a decent 3 man. Leafs don't make the playoffs without Kessel, Boston easily gets in and goes deep without either of them... and this is several years after the trade (immediate win was leafs gaining 30+ goals). Perhaps in the culmination of both Seguin and Hamilton's career totals, they might surpass silly Philly. Might. But even then, it's a demonstrative "W" for Burke on that one. Sorry fans of other teams who hate the Leafs, it's the way she goes.
- PotvinFan

You're vastly underrating Seguin (who's outscored Kessel to this point in his career) and Hamilton, but that's okay seeing as how: a.) you're a Leafs fan, so objectivity is physically impossible for you, and; b.) Seguin is no longer with the Bruins, so the Leafs win by default.

Is there a pool for how long it takes for Offer Sheets for Kadri and Franson now that Burke is Prez? Payback for the Leafs.

Brian Burke is the most overrated hockey man in the NHL.

He did well to get the twins in Van but never realized that you need a goalie to win a cup.

He was handed a Stanley cup winner in Anaheim. Sure he added Neidermayer (but he wanted to go there anyways and play with his bro - a monkey could have made that signing) and Pronger, but other than that, the Ducks were Bryan Murray's team.

He set the Leafs back by at least 2-3 years. Sure, the Leafs finally made the playoffs last season and he was the one who built that team. With that said, any average GM could have eventually done that with the money and high draft picks the Leafs have had over the past decade.

I'm not saying he is going to hurt in Calgary (and to be honest, if there's one guy he's better than, it's probably Feaster), but I wouldn't be getting too excited if I'm a flames fan. Now instead of having just the worst GM in the league, you have the worst GM in the league with the most overrated hockey guy sitting beside him.
- Charliebox

Has anyone been able to read this pile of nonsense and find a shred of truth in it?

Is there a pool for how long it takes for Offer Sheets for Kadri and Franson now that Burke is Prez? Payback for the Leafs.
- VANTEL

That would make me vomit.

Has anyone been able to read this pile of nonsense and find a shred of truth in it?
- burn

Not really, no.

Has anyone been able to read this pile of nonsense and find a shred of truth in it?
- burn

Other than adding Pronger and Neid... wtf?
even if that was all he did to put that team over the top (which it wasnt)...you have to be some kind of biased to shrug it off like it was nothing

Also there's that Loui Eriksson guy...
- glove_was_stuck

Awesome. If you want to spin it that way sure.

I see a lot of posts from this charliebox..... Why is someone so obviously out of touch posting so much.


It's awfully funny when people think they know everything come on here and spew like they have all the answers and end up falling on their face.

Other than adding Pronger and Neid... wtf?
even if that was all he did to put that team over the top (which it wasnt)...you have to be some kind of biased to shrug it off like it was nothing
- senstroll

He lost to Burke in a barn fight at midnight. I would be angry at the world too, if I were in his shoes.

Other than adding Pronger and Neid... wtf?
even if that was all he did to put that team over the top (which it wasnt)...you have to be some kind of biased to shrug it off like it was nothing
- senstroll

Sheer hilarity.... Yeah he brought in the 2 best players on the team ( but the don't count becuase it doesn't fit my argument).


Over half the duck team is Burke, but yeah just the 2 best players on he team.

Burke would be better in an administrative role with the NHL than with a team. If he's that good for the game as you suggest, then his presence should be more than team building. The NHL needs smarter guys and not just x-players (Shannahan) calling the shots.
- acmidd28

Oh good grief, no.

He had that role prior to Colin Campbell and was as inept and inconsistent as Shanahan.

Not to mention the fact that he's a pompous ass.

Karma is a biotch.. I wonder if he thought it would be him to clean up the flames mess. especially when he was fleecing them a few years ago.. Is Stajan still a Flamer?

And let's be honest here. He didn't build a contender in Toronto.

He tried to fast track the rebuild and instead of building a contender, he built a team that will struggle to make the playoffs every season for the forseeable future.

On top of that, they have next to no prospects whatsoever. In pretty much every publication they are constantly ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league when it comes to prospects.

Ok, he 'built' a playoff team. A playoff team with next to no cap space and no prospects.
- Charliebox

That is totally and utterly false. THN had them top 10, hockey's future had them quite high.

Who is it that ranks the leafs that low?

Karma is a biotch.. I wonder if he thought it would be him to clean up the flames mess. especially when he was fleecing them a few years ago.. Is Stajan still a Flamer?
- Gusto

ya

That is totally and utterly false. THN had them top 10, hockey's future had them quite high.

Who is it that ranks the leafs that low?
- burn

I don't think he was expecting that point to be challenged.

Burke is a great business man, and an even better GM. When he takes Feasters spot in time CGY will witness a great turn around. Makes me laugh how many ppl on here think he's a bad GM. He's so smart, and although his attitude can be arrogant and stubborn, he knows how to allocate dollars and turn bad contracts into assets, and he knows how to keep his team from making long term mistakes. Nonis is already screwing up what he started, but that said, it's not too late to fix things for Non'er either.

Is there a pool for how long it takes for Offer Sheets for Kadri and Franson now that Burke is Prez? Payback for the Leafs.
- VANTEL

ahhahaha that would be hilarious

ahhahaha that would be hilarious
- ChetManly

O M G so funny!